[fvc-wat-announce] [fvc-wat-disc] PR WON IN PEI !!!

[Anita Nickerson]

I am so thrilled with the PEI win. I was such a cynic about this. People
out there worked very very hard. I think what happened is the same thing
that happened in our federal public consultations:

*The people who understood the problem and care about this issue showed up.*

Here is what I find incredibly ironic:

MMP referendum PEI 2005: 36% DECLARED LOSS

MMP referendum PEI 2015 29% of first choice preferences for MMP: DECLARED
WIN

MMP referendum ON 2007: 37% DECLARED LOSS

STV referendum BC 2005 58%: DECLARED LOSS

STV referendum BC 2009 37%: DECLARED LOSS

Once in a while the politicians set it up to fail, people work really hard
and their plan backfires!!

*I have never had a good thing to say before about a winner-take-all ranked
ballot to unite PR options until today.*

What it made clear was that on the first ballot, while FPTP had the
plurality, MMP and DMP together had 50.05% of the vote. A real majority.

If the politicians in Ontario and BC had given people a second PR option I
wonder what the result would have been.

I still think this is not a topic for a referendum for all the reasons we
know very well. But when the opponents's own tool comes back and wacks them
in the face once in a while, I can't complain!!

Anita

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:

> Not trying to be cynical but, in light of Canada's typical low voter
> turnout, consider the definition of complacency.
> A feeling of quiet pleasure or security, often while unaware of some
> potential danger, defect, or the like; self-satisfaction or smug
> satisfaction with an existing situation, condition, etc.
> On a number of occasions I have had the experience of talking to
> individuals or groups who, once they hear about the defects of FPTP, agree
> that change is appropriate.
> Public education! Public education! Public education!
> If neither the government nor the media are going to do it, how is it to
> be done???
> Dave A
>
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dirks
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:30 AM
> To: Dave Arthur
> Cc: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion ; fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thin
> kers.org
>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] PR WON IN PEI !!!
>
> If they are looking for wiggle room it may be found in the level of voter
> turnout.
>
> DAVID
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>>
>> Remember what the BC government did with a 58% yes vote for STV.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: daviddirks at rogers.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:19 AM
>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion ; fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thin
>> kers.org
>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] PR WON IN PEI !!!
>>
>> I will be v interested to see what the government in PEI does w this
>> result.
>>
>> David
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 11/8/16, Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] PR WON IN PEI !!!
>> To: "fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org" <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>> s.org>, "fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thinkers.org" <
>> fvc-wat-announce at listserv.thinkers.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2016, 2:07 AM
>>
>> Hello Everyone Who Cares About
>> Democracy in Canada!
>>
>> The results are in from the plebiscite in PEI and it is a
>> win for PR!
>>
>> Here is the report from the Charlotte Town Guardian.
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2016-11-07/article-4
>> 681472/Islanders-choose-MMPR-in-plebiscite/1
>>
>> This is an important win for all of us because the ERRE
>> committee has been
>> watching this plebiscite as a gauge for public sentiment on
>> electoral
>> reform.
>>
>> Thanks to Matthew Piggott for letting us know.
>>
>> Congratulations to the hard working electoral reformers on
>> PEI who have
>> been working for months and months for this win!
>>
>> Thank you PEI!
>>
>> Happy days,
>> Sharon
>> for FVC-WR
>>
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