[fvc-wat-announce] Fw: Trusting the Trustees
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Sun May 28 22:02:44 EDT 2023
Hi Kae,
Dave Meslin would be the best person to respond to Melissa's request as he
works to implement ranked ballots at the municipal level. His email is:
dave at pigeonhat.ca
Hope that all is well with you and yours.
Sharon
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 8:27 PM Kae Elgie <kaeelgie at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Melissa is asking for someone knowledgeable about ranked ballots to
> comment on her blog post.
> Anyone from Fair Vote wish to do this?
>
> Kae Elgie
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Melissa Bowman from Citified <citified at substack.com>
> *To:* "kaeelgie at yahoo.com" <kaeelgie at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2023 at 09:05:47 a.m. EDT
> *Subject:* Trusting the Trustees
>
> Is appointing trustees truly 'breathtaking in its arrogance'?
>
> Open in app
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> or online
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> Trusting the Trustees
> <https://substack.com/app-link/post?publication_id=877169&post_id=123158875&utm_source=post-email-title&isFreemail=true&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo4NTk3MjUzNywicG9zdF9pZCI6MTIzMTU4ODc1LCJpYXQiOjE2ODUxMDYzNDAsImV4cCI6MTY4NzY5ODM0MCwiaXNzIjoicHViLTg3NzE2OSIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.s2eSqP3qZvYcstP2DrvBQpKRm3HKecGmh-L8wZstaG8>Is
> appointing trustees truly 'breathtaking in its arrogance'?
>
> Melissa Bowman
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> May 26
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> You may recall that last fall, we had a municipal election - well, at
> least the 20-something per cent
> <https://substack.com/redirect/0f7af173-1089-41dd-abdc-336b1eadd33f?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> of those who voted in that election should remember it anyway. Given the
> municipal election cycle is every four years, you can be forgiven for
> thinking that municipal election news may quiet down until 2026. But, due
> to some unforeseen circumstances, municipal politics is very much in the
> public eye, less than seven months after the election, specifically our
> local school boards. That’s because three trustee seats (two in the WRDSB
> <https://substack.com/redirect/5ce58434-1337-4648-a627-ca7fc01c152c?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> and one in the WCDSB
> <https://substack.com/redirect/e0e0a42e-73c4-4a67-9b8e-f1227c4dbd23?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>)
> have become vacant recently.
>
> Fred Meissner
> <https://substack.com/redirect/6253f99a-e372-4ece-933b-3585bfc069c3?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> (WRDSB: Woolwich-Wellesley) passed away earlier this month. You can read a
> recap of some of the lovely memories shared about Fred in Niki’s Twitter
> thread
> <https://substack.com/redirect/07ebc88c-c95a-462e-8166-9ce58ff7dca8?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>.
> Marie Snyder (WRDSB: Waterloo-Wilmot) stepped down, stating “*an
> inability to fully participate due to health concerns
> <https://substack.com/redirect/69b0650e-0a1a-4d47-b028-a9ae8e6ece4c?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>*”.
> And, Wendy Ashby (WCDSB: Kitchener-Wilmot) resigned after some were calling
> for her resignation
> <https://substack.com/redirect/60048007-b066-45cc-802b-ca6985eeeef0?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> due to various tweets (now deleted). In her statement, Ashby said, “*I
> have decided to vacate my seat at this time, so that we can all return our
> focus back on the important work that we have dedicated ourselves to doing.*
> ”
>
> These vacancies can be filled basically in one of two ways - holding a
> byelection or appointing new trustees. Appointments can mean simply
> appointing the runners-up in the 2022 election, or opening up the
> appointment process to a wider number of candidates, even including those
> who did not run in 2022. Likely no surprise to anyone, there has been some
> debate about which option to choose.
> [image: a person is casting a vote into a box]
> <https://substack.com/redirect/da23f72b-fdd8-4c5a-a9ff-9f004c26fc6a?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4> Photo
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> on Unsplash
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>
> A byelection would be costly. Trustee Piatkowski said that he believes a
> byelection
> <https://substack.com/redirect/123f4f8d-f348-4fb0-80d5-afd7c154198b?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> would be “prohibitively expensive”, likely costing nearly $500,000. As
> well, legislation requires the byelection to be held within 90 days of any
> vacancy, meaning folks would go to the polls this summer. That obviously
> competes with summer weather and plans, and would likely result in an
> extremely low voter turnout, especially given board trustee elections
> already garner minimal interest traditionally. From what I’m hearing, few
> people are advocating for this approach.
>
> That leaves ‘appointment’ as the more financially-wise approach. Should we
> simply appoint the runners-up, the next-in-line so to speak? Or should it
> be opened up more widely? It’s worth noting that the board has had to deal
> with this issue in the past. As stated in the WR Record
> <https://substack.com/redirect/dc642675-ca09-415f-845f-3bfb428d4f9c?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>,
> “*On the last three occasions when the board had a vacancy, it filled
> them by appointment — two through an interview process and one by
> appointing the first runner-up in the previous election*.”
>
> The WRDSB has already made the decision, opting for appointment by an ad
> hoc committee consisting of three trustees. Most trustees voted in favour
> of this approach, with Trustees Cody, Ramsay, and Watson opposed. While the
> committee will make recommendations about who should fill the vacancies,
> all board trustees will make the final decision.
>
> This has angered some, including WR Record columnist Luisa D’Amato who
> says
> <https://substack.com/redirect/8ae8ea10-5e5a-4f3c-bcf0-6c4cb14b0ec4?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>,
> “*the decision by most public board trustees is breathtaking in its
> arrogance*.” She describes it this way:
>
> “*In an astonishing display of anti-democratic culture earlier this week,
> trustees at the Waterloo Region District School Board decided that they —
> and not the voters who cast ballots last year — will decide who fills the
> two spots left at the public board.*”
>
> I actually want to take a moment to speak to a few of D’Amato’s comments
> from that article because I think they are problematic. She says, “*Only
> three trustees — Bill Cody, Mike Ramsay and Cindy Watson — argued at a
> meeting Monday night that the runners-up in the election should be
> appointed. They were overruled by the others, who think they know better
> than the voters do.*” She continued, “*most of the other trustees decided
> they know better than the people who pay the bills, take the time to
> educate themselves, and vote.*” That seems like an extreme conclusion to
> jump to. D’Amato assumes that the runners-up are ‘what voters want’ yet,
> that’s only true if you remove the votes of everyone who voted for those
> candidates who are no longer on the board - which, of course, does not feel
> very democratic either. (I’d also be curious what happens if the runner-up
> declines. Do you just keep moving through the list until someone accepts?)
>
> D’Amato argues that, “*less than a year has passed since voters last
> marked their ballots. That’s a short enough time that we can conclude the
> runner-up is the next person the voters wanted. That’s who should be
> appointed, provided they still qualify and still want the job*.” It’s
> true that we recently heard from voters (in last fall’s election) but
> again, suggesting that the runners-up are who voters want only works if you
> choose to ignore all of the people who voted for Meissner, Snyder, and
> Ashby. That is absolutely an option, but let’s not pretend that it’s the
> ‘only democratic’ option available to us. As well, you could argue that
> while we are only seven months out from the last election, that leaves
> nearly three and a half years left to the term - so we should ensure that
> we identify who voters actually want to represent them.
>
> Luisa D’Amato writes, “*Public trustees have the option of running a
> byelection, but the public board would have to shoulder the entire cost,
> likely more than $500,000. The board can’t afford that.*” I actually
> agree with D’Amato that a costly byelection in the middle of the summer
> isn’t appropriate. Although, on the surface at least, a byelection feels
> like the most democratic option, in that we’d get a chance to hear directly
> from voters. The fact that D’Amato outright rejects that option on the
> basis of cost alone demonstrates that she understands that ‘democracy’
> isn’t the only consideration in this discussion - even though she argues
> otherwise.
>
> One concern I have in the discussion on the best way to fill these
> vacancies is that some people look at who they want to fill those vacancies
> and then select the process that they believe will get their preferred
> candidate(s) into place. I think we can agree that is not the best approach.
>
> Might it make sense for a single process to be in place (byelection,
> appointment of runners-up or by application) that is consistently used when
> a vacancy comes up? And while such an idea won’t help this current
> situation, it could help shape the WCDSB’s upcoming decision. As well, the
> same issue is likely to arise again this year as we seek to fill the
> Kitchener-Centre seat currently held by MPP Laura Mae Lindo. We already
> know one Kitchener councillor will be running in that byelection (ward 10
> councillor Aislinn Clancy for the Greens), another has announced that she
> is seeking the NDP nomination (ward 9 councillor Debbie Chapman), and
> others could do the same for the Liberals and Conservatives. It seems to me
> that local councils would do well to establish a plan now, rather than make
> a decision once forced to if/when the issue lands on their plate.
>
> So, what format would I like to see selected for future decisions? After
> some interesting conversations with some other local #Polinerds, I think
> appointments are valid. However, I don’t think we should automatically
> appoint the runners-up. I also don’t believe that sitting elected
> representatives (meaning current councillors or trustees) should be able to
> hand-pick who gets to sit around the council horseshoe with them. Instead,
> I’d advocate for a citizens’ committee that seeks out potential candidates,
> reviews applications, interviews candidates, and makes their
> recommendations. Those recommendations would be presented to council (or
> the board of trustees) who could then vote on the recommendations. With
> many details and processes to be worked out with this idea, I'd love to see
> local councils start soon. Otherwise, we're left in this situation where
> each side tries to declare they are the true champions of democracy.
> [image: group of people sitting beside rectangular wooden table with
> laptops]
> <https://substack.com/redirect/3345a7ac-eead-4baa-b077-b874cdc8db70?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4> Perhaps
> a Citizens’ Committee is needed. (Photo by Christina @ wocintechchat.com
> <https://substack.com/redirect/e3d00b57-1417-43e8-be8c-f6ad2f1f6959?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
> on Unsplash
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> )
>
> Some who are passionate about politics have a tendency to declare as
> undemocratic any perspective that doesn’t align with their own. However, I
> think the rhetoric used by Luisa D’Amato in her column is unhelpful, and
> perhaps even harmful, as we try to navigate a challenging situation. Making
> claims that one’s position is the only democratic option and that any
> alternative action “*completely overrides the democratic process*,”
> divides people and focuses our attention on choosing sides instead of
> seeking practical solutions to the problem.
>
> D’Amato ends her column by saying, “*An election is a very special thing.
> It’s a meeting of minds between the candidate, who is out meeting people
> and sharing ideas, and the voter, who decides if this person is worthy of
> acting on his or her behalf. It’s a sacred trust that we are lucky to
> enjoy.*” While that’s more optimistic and idealistic than how I might
> frame it, overall I tend to agree. However, I very much disagree with her
> conclusion that, “*Public school trustees are now moving forward with
> actions that express contempt for that trust.*” As Luisa says, we vote
> for the people who we believe to be “*worthy of acting on our behalf*” -
> so we should allow them to do exactly that.
>
> This issue also has me wondering if ranked ballots might be helpful when
> addressing board or council vacancies. I know I have some Citified readers
> who are quite knowledgeable on the benefits and challenges of ranked
> ballots. I’d love to hear if you think they could be useful in these cases.
> Feel free to comment below! Also, what are your thoughts about citizen
> committees leading the appointment process? Have you seen examples of this
> elsewhere?
>
> For a detailed recap of the trustee discussion on filling vacancies, I
> recommend reading Niki’s thread here
> <https://substack.com/redirect/323ff538-5ad0-4892-8a4d-e253bf3b4be9?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>.
> You can also view the meeting here
> <https://substack.com/redirect/b5523121-dced-4d0c-adc2-16dde38eba7a?j=eyJ1IjoiMWY2b3UxIn0.9GCB-o0vf-1J2PPa2KHXiI6e9K0IipnUCwYEX3wSdk4>
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