[fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup

[Alida and George]

Christian will always be remembered for putting down John Ralston Saul's The 
Unconscious Civilization in a Record column many moons back, Marcia.

For some strange reason he focused on the cover of the book, which shows 
Saul winking in one frame, seriously sober in another.
The following  month the work was awarded the Governor General's prize for 
non-fiction. And that was before Adrian, Saul's partner, was appointed guv'.

Prof. Christian is the token "progressive" conservative voice on the op-ed 
page. Goes with the political territory, frighteningly enough.

You could write a letter dealing with his evaluative and predictive power 
in the past? Perhaps he's now afraid to venture too far afield, 
intellectually?

And I may have missed it, but I don't believe The Record has critiqued Al 
Gore's The Assault on Reason. It is too revealing of the performance of the 
U.S. media, including newspapers (and their Canadian cousins by trade 
association).

Yet at the same time, Gore says we need newspapers to restore "reason" in an 
age of TV and radio sound bites.

The Record/William Christian story is altogether too familiar, but it goes 
far in explaining the great transition from responsible citizen to 
consumer/taxpayer mentality in the past quarter-century.

But as events in the real world give the lie to the  positions of 
business-dependent  media, they're finding it mighty difficult cover up 
their preoccupation with the bottom line.

 And we can only feel grateful that Torstar is not CanWest and the residual 
of M'Lord Black, or Quebecor, that's just swallowed Osprey? Relative freedom 
of opinion in a world looking more like 1984? The gratefulness of  the 
majority whenever Harper fails to reach a FPTP majority?

Half a loaf's better than none?
Could that thought be put forward in a back-handed compliment while 
criticizing the twisted  logic of  The Record's editorial  position?
Less than 200 words from a citizen's assembly member?

George

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <marcia.soeda at ontariocitizensassembly.ca>
To: "FVC Waterloo Region Discussion" <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup


Hi All,
On election night I saw Brian on television talking about the election and
referendum but I could not hear him in the bar. Last night I saw Brian 
talking on
the French channel but I could not understand him, but at least he is still 
out
there getting the message out.
In Saturday Oct 13ths paper under editorials & letters it talks about the
University of Laurier students not being able to vote and on the next page 
there
was an article written by William Christian about the results of the 
election and
slamming MMP. This man is a university professor and the things he said 
blows my
mind, he said voters should not show ID, voters should be encouraged to 
vote, but
his own students were probably not allowed. He said MMP is a stupid system, 
but
does not recommend a better one. He suggests there is a problem but he 
offers
Ideas but is not willing to offer solutions. Why is he allowed to criticize 
and
suggest without investing in his own words. Who does he expect to take up 
the
fight, uneducated people about politics like the general public or people
invested like the smaller parties. This man needs to stop misinforming the 
public
based on his opinion and using his credential as a excuse for his opinion 
because
in my mind he really does not sound educated. We need to stop the paper from
giving people like this so much power. Does anyone having any ideas short of
boycotting the paper and writing letters that never get published.
Marcia

On Fri Oct 12 16:18 , 'Brian Tanguay' <btanguay at wlu.ca> sent:

>Sorry to have been incommunicado for a while, but I'm just now getting
>through some of the hundreds of messages that have accumulated the past
>two weeks. I basically declared myself "e-mail bankrupt" a while
>ago....
>
>I could get the signs from Kitchener Centre, if no one has volunteered.
>Could you please re-send me a list of their locations?
>
>Thanks to everyone for your heroic efforts. The result wasn't what I
>wanted; actually, it was a lot worse than I feared. But, to steal a line
>from the FLQ (not that I'm endorsing their aims or methods or anything
>like that), nous vaincrons! Or the Latin American version: venceremos!
>
>At least you gotta believe that we will win in the end. Somehow.
>
>Brian
>
>>>> ayenssen at rogers.com 11/10/2007 10:12:11 pm >>>
>I don't think we need to meet as a group to tend to the signs.  Adam,
>Rick,
>and Bryn have already taken ownership for picking up the signs they put
>up.
>Bob Jonkman has agreed to take down the signs that he put up in the
>Elmira
>area, as well as the signs Derek and I put up in that area.  I am
>assuming
>that the group in Cambridge is taking down the signs erected in that
>city.
>I will prioritize taking down the other signs Derek and I put up in
>the
>Kitchener-Conestoga and Kitchener-Waterloo areas tomorrow.  Therefore,
>the
>only area yet to be covered in terms of taking down signs is Kitchener
>Centre (Derek e-mailed the list of locations of signs in Kitchener
>Centre
>earlier today).  I am desperately seeking another volunteer to take
>down the
>Kitchener Centre signs.  I am really too busy to get to that area plus
>the
>Kitchener Waterloo and Kitchener Conestoga signs myself in the next two
>days
>especially given that my car is small and I have to take all the signs
>apart
>to transport them.  I can gather the signs Derek and I put up
>relatively
>quickly tomorrow morning (I hope!) because I know exactly where they
>are
>located.  However, if no volunteer comes forward to tend to the
>Kitchener
>Centre signs, I will do it Saturday night which is unfortunately the
>earliest I can get to that job.  Maybe Derek could contact Tracy to
>help
>with picking up the Kitchener Centre signs since Derek arranged for her
>to
>help him put up the signs and she has a van she can use to transport
>them
>easily while still assembled.
>
>I have contacted the provincial Vote for MMP campaign to see if they
>have
>any desire to store the signs.  Once I have a response, I will let you
>all
>know so that we can decide a course of action regarding storage or
>recycling
>of the signs as appropriate.
>
>Angela
>
>
>
>  _____
>
>From: fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org
>[fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org','','','')">fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org]
On Behalf Of Bryn
>Ossington
>Sent: October 11, 2007 9:55 PM
>To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Cleanup
>
>
>
>I will be entertaining people from out of town around 6 tomorrow so my
>house
>isn't really a good option. I'm going to take some signs down in the
>morning.
>
>Bryn
>
>On 10/11/07, Paul Nijjar paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
>> Either way, I don't think the low chance of having another
>> referendum justifies recycling $1500 worth of signs.
>
>Are you offering to store those signs someplace? If we can't store
>them we can't keep them.
>
>I also question their usability even if there is another referendum,
>but since I am not going to store them I don't particularly care one
>way or the other. What I do care about is that they get collected
>soon so we don't get fined, and so far I am not under the impression
>that we have this organized yet. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Should we name a time and place for people to meet? Would tomorrow
>evening at Bryn's house work for people (and Bryn)? If so, then what
>time? 6:00pm? 7:00pm? (We'll be working in the dark then.)
>
>- Paul
>
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