[fvc-wat-disc] Referendum (Re: fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20)
Eleanor Grant
eleanor7000 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 21:32:06 EST 2016
What I fear about a referendum is the dishonest role the media played in
Ontario 2007. The Record scarcely mentioned the issue till 2 or 3 weeks
beforehand, by which time they had op eds lined up from the No side.
Couldn't get my op ed in.
Note that neither Nathan Cullen nor Alex Boulerice (nor Eliz May) lived
through that dirty Ont campaign.
I think PM will keep trying different things till he finds a way to make AV
look as if it's the people's choice. So far it's proving harder than he
anticipated.
Eleanor
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1. NDP open to referendum... (Eleanor Grant)
2. Re: NDP open to referendum... (haberlin at gmail.com)
3. Re: NDP open to referendum... (Dave Arthur)
4. Re: NDP open to referendum... (Sharon Sommerville)
5. Re: NDP open to referendum... (Laurel L. Russwurm)
6. Re: NDP open to referendum... (Laurel L. Russwurm)
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From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
Cc:
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:50:05 -0500
Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Just saw this via Twitter:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-
politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/
canadian-politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-
electoral-reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
ERRE.
Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
Eleanor
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From: "haberlin at gmail.com" <haberlin at gmail.com>
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Cc:
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:59:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Thanks Eleanor. I was going to post it to reddit but it was already
there. A lively discussion is taking place.
SeanH.
*From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
Behalf Of *Eleanor Grant
*Sent:* November 16, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
*Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Just saw this via Twitter:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-
politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/
canadian-politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-
electoral-reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
ERRE.
Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
Eleanor
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From: Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
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Cc:
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:00:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
I still fear a referendum of a public that is uninformed could spell the
end of reform for many years.
If the government carries out an information campaign, including with their
postcard mailout, that presents the input given to the committee throughout
the last months, maybe it would succeed as did PEI.
Dave A
*From:* Eleanor Grant
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
*Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Just saw this via Twitter:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-
politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/
canadian-politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-
electoral-reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
ERRE.
Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
Eleanor
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From: Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:58:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Thank you Eleanor, looks like the horse trading may result in a
referendum. It is a big gamble on the part of the NDP. It remains to be
seen how we can have a referendum with the needed time for education and
make a Sept. vote in House to ensure that Elections Canada has enough time
to implement a new system in time for 2019.
Sharon
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
> I still fear a referendum of a public that is uninformed could spell the
> end of reform for many years.
> If the government carries out an information campaign, including with
> their postcard mailout, that presents the input given to the committee
> throughout the last months, maybe it would succeed as did PEI.
> Dave A
>
> *From:* Eleanor Grant
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:50 PM
> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
>
>
> Just saw this via Twitter:
>
> http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politi
> cs/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-
> politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-electoral-
> reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
>
> Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
> ERRE.
>
> Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
>
> Eleanor
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Bad idea; caving on the referendum idea is very bad. It may well be
political. When the Trudeau government tanks electoral reform, the new
improved NDP can arise and be the heroes for actually implementing what
Canadians want.
Regards,
Laurel
On 11/16/2016 07:58 PM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
Thank you Eleanor, looks like the horse trading may result in a
referendum. It is a big gamble on the part of the NDP. It remains to be
seen how we can have a referendum with the needed time for education and
make a Sept. vote in House to ensure that Elections Canada has enough time
to implement a new system in time for 2019.
Sharon
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
> I still fear a referendum of a public that is uninformed could spell the
> end of reform for many years.
> If the government carries out an information campaign, including with
> their postcard mailout, that presents the input given to the committee
> throughout the last months, maybe it would succeed as did PEI.
> Dave A
>
> *From:* Eleanor Grant
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:50 PM
> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
>
>
> Just saw this via Twitter:
>
> http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-politi
> cs/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-
> politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-electoral-
> reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
>
> Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
> ERRE.
>
> Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
>
> Eleanor
>
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From: "Laurel L. Russwurm" <laurel.l at russwurm.org>
To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:20:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Dear Dave:
Although Proportional Representation carried the day in PEI, the government
is now suggesting it doesn't count because only 36
% of voters voted. (Of course they were happy to accept the result of the
previous electoral reform referendum where 36% of voters chose to keep the
status quo.) There are an infinite number of ways to kill electoral
reform with a referendum.
The reality is the Conservative mailout got abysmal response which ought to
have resulted in them backing down.
If anything we need more pressure now than during the consultation.
Regards,
Laurel
.
On 11/16/2016 07:00 PM, Dave Arthur wrote:
I still fear a referendum of a public that is uninformed could spell the
end of reform for many years.
If the government carries out an information campaign, including with their
postcard mailout, that presents the input given to the committee throughout
the last months, maybe it would succeed as did PEI.
Dave A
*From:* Eleanor Grant
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
*Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] NDP open to referendum...
Just saw this via Twitter:
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/canadian-
politics/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/
canadian-politics/ndp-says-its-willing-to-support-an-
electoral-reform-referendum-reversing-previous-position
Apparently they'd consider a referendum IFF it brings about consensus on
ERRE.
Sounds as if, with Dec 1 looming, discussions are still intense.
Eleanor
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