[fvc-wat-disc] The Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov 2016)

Tue Nov 22 15:44:45 EST 2016

I think South Dumfries is the area around Paris, Glen Morris, St. Georges
etc.

Sharon

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Kevin Smith <kevedsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

> The lower tier municipalities are Kitchener, Waterloo, Cambridge,
> Wellesley, Wilmot, Woolwich, and North Dumfries (so 8 including the region).
>
> The breakaway hamlet of Dire Straits was formed in 1981, and didn't last
> long.
>
> Just curious -- where is South Dumfries?
>
> Kevin.
>
> On Nov 22, 2016 1:44 PM, "Bob Jonkman" <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
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> Eleanor Grant wrote:
> > Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> > election cycle.
>
> That's only likely to happen if we mount a vigorous campaign to
> pressure the six (seven?) municipal + regional councils to adopt a
> ranked ballot, but only for mayor. Councillors should be elected in
> multi-member wards using a ranked ballot and STV, but that requires
> re-districting ward boundaries (or eliminating them), and that's
> likely to be met with great resistance.
>
> As it is, I expect the Ontario provincial election to take place in
> June 2018 (that's not official yet), and the Ontario municipal
> elections in October 2018. Since we're all likely to be busy for the
> provincial election, that leaves only three months between June and
> October to work on municipal election reform. And with a fixed
> four-year election cycle both provincially and municipally, that'll be
> the case again in 2022.
>
> - --Bob
>
> (is New Dundee part of Waterloo Region? If so, there's seven municipal
> councils)
>
>
> On 2016-11-22 12:19 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
> > I'm only happy that the issues of municipal ranked ballots and
> > federal PR won't be happening at the same time - it would make
> > uninformed public think that ranked ballots would be a good idea
> > federally too.  (Methinks this may have been Wynne's motive for
> > bringing it in AT THIS TIME.)
> >
> > Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> > election cycle.
> >
> > Eleanor
> >
> > On 22 Nov 2016 10:00, "STUART CHANDLER" <stuchandler43 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Bob. ‎Thanks for the info. I'm guessing Whaley did not
> >> expand on his "reason" for having FPTP for 149 years. (Normally
> >> having just about anything completely unchanged for that length
> >> of time would be seen as shocking, and cause for serious concern.
> >> I don't supposed he'd like to submit to the 1867 version of
> >> health care.) if he did explain, it would likely have something
> >> to do with "common sense" and simplicity.
> >>
> >> My sense of "the reason" (other than mental & emotional laziness,
> >> plus fear of change - ie: lack of imagination, caring, & courage)
> >> is that we have "inherited" it from our historical past which has
> >> been one based on dictatorship and control over "the masses" by a
> >> monarch or some set of elites.      In other words, it is a
> >> remnant of the very types of regimes that democracy was supposed
> >> to replace - a fact that seems to be lost on folks like Mr.
> >> Whaley.
> >>
> >> When those we elect to positions of leadership lack the vision
> >> to recognize a flawed system, the imagination to recognize one
> >> that with the potential to move the cause of democracy forward,
> >> and/or the courage to do something about it, how do we respond?
> >>
> >> Thanks again. Stu
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
> >> Original Message From: Bob Jonkman Sent: Tuesday, November 22,
> >> 2016 8:36 AM To: FairvoteWRC Letter Writing Group Subject: The
> >> Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov
> >> 2016)
> >>
> > In The Record on Monday is an article on municipal ranked ballots
> > being denied in the City of Waterloo, as well as online or
> > electronic voting.
> >
> >
> > http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6979179-waterloo-
> > rejects-online-voting-ranked-ballot/
> >
> > While I'm happy to see online and electronic voting getting turned
> > down, the last line of the article is somewhat disturbing:
> >
> >>>> Also Monday, council voted not to pursue ranked-ballot voting
> >>>> for the 2018 municipal contest.
> >>>>
> >>>> "We've had the first-past-the-post for 149 years for a
> >>>> reason," Coun. Mark Whaley said.
> >
> > I agree with Councillor Whaley, there *is* a reason we've had FPTP
> > for 149 years, but I don't think that reason is what he thinks it
> > is.
> >
> > --Bob.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
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