[fvc-wat-disc] Monsef on CBC The House

Mon Nov 28 19:17:01 EST 2016

That was the question I raised in my email to Chris Hall at The House.  She
was clear, we ask the same questions at every meeting and we illustrated
that statement isn't true.  How are we to trust her sincerity if we can't
trust her word.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:

> True.  Most of the time I believe she's saying no consensus on a
> particular PR system, which is because we are focused on principles--all of
> us--so that is the height of changing the goalposts, in my view.
>
> She also said, when she said, "so that is false" that she always starts
> the same way, asking.  And she didn't and we have that on film.  So, since
> that's the one we were at, how are we to extrapolate that she always asks
> everywhere else?  And since we also hear from Vancouver (or Victoria,
> whichever one David, Ryan and someone else we heard from was at) that the
> question wasn't asked there, why on earth would we believe it was asked
> elsewhere?
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Did she ask how many had decided what they want? The answer?
>> Was it asked at other town halls?"
>>
>> Since there are only clips of her tour stops recorded (different from
>> town halls) I can say that she asked it at at least two but having watched
>> the introductory speech on different videos I don't think she asked it at
>> most or all. Usually the room was split. That doesn't mean that the
>> majority weren't for the principle of PR in almost every room. In fact, I'd
>> bet you $1000 if she had asked that question, it would have been a strong
>> majority yes in every room. It was more reflective of the fact that people
>> are not sure which particular system they prefer.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What’s the story with the straw poll?
>>> Did she ask how many had decided what they want?
>>> The answer?
>>> Was it asked at other town halls?
>>> Do we have a summary of what input was gathered at our town hall or
>>> others?
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> *From:* Sharon Sommerville
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2016 7:31 AM
>>> *To:* Jennifer Ross ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Cc:* Dave Arthur
>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Monsef on CBC The House
>>>
>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>
>>> Thanks Jenn for responding to the question of should we send the footage
>>> of Monsef's town hall straw poll to Chris Hall? Unless, there is opposition
>>> to that, I will find Chris Hall's contact information and send the video to
>>> him today.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, we should send that to Chris Hall at the House.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, Dave.  So, on Liberal.ca there is a section called Platform and
>>>> you could go during the election (and possibly still now) and vote for the
>>>> policies you particularly liked or hated.  So I made a spreadsheet with the
>>>> results and you can sort (not that easily, sadly) by the number of votes
>>>> each policy got, or you can sort by the ranking each policy got with those
>>>> votes.  For example, Guns got a ton of votes--but they were clearly split
>>>> between those who liked the policy proposed, and those who hated it.  That
>>>> policy had the lowest ranking I believe, but the second most votes.
>>>>
>>>> Seven policies had more than 10,000 votes.  We came fifth in terms of
>>>> votes.  In terms of ranking among those seven popular policies, we were
>>>> number one.  We were fourth in terms of ranking among all 105 policies.
>>>>
>>>> They've unmuzzled scientists.  We beat that policy.  They've given help
>>>> to families.  We beat that policy.  They've made changes to the small
>>>> business deduction.  We beat that policy.  They've allowed ex-pats to
>>>> vote.  We beat that policy.  But OUR policy is the only one we must have 35
>>>> million people vote on, specifically, in spite of having an election where
>>>> this was campaigned on, and also in the platform of two other parties
>>>> giving it a 63% support.
>>>>
>>>> So are they saying they did all those other things WITHOUT the support
>>>> of Canadians?  Because, that's what it sounds like they are saying.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jenn
>>>>> Can you explain your spreadsheet?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Jennifer Ross
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 7:09 PM
>>>>> *To:* Jon Bathmaker
>>>>> *Cc:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Monsef on CBC The House
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, didn't I say that?  www.Liberal.ca.  105 platform promises.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my spreadsheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Jon Bathmaker <
>>>>> jon.bathmaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jenn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me see, I gather that 1800 ex-pats voted for extending the
>>>>>> franchise to them.  and abut 19K voted for electoral reform.   OK.  Where
>>>>>> did the numbers come from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>> *The Climate is no longer just a Crisis  . . .  it's a FREAKING
>>>>>> EMERGENCY*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 12:25 PM, Jennifer Ross wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must also be remembered that "We heard loud and clear from ex-pats
>>>>>> that they are watching what's happening in this country, that they still
>>>>>> have a stake here and we're extending the franchise to them"  Just as a
>>>>>> reminder, ex-pats were watching what's happening in this country to the
>>>>>> tune of 1,828 voted for that platform promise.  Electoral Reform got 15,874.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing Monsef's interview Eleanor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reading the Waterloo Region town hall report, one could see why
>>>>>>> Monsef would say that there was no consensus for change which was
>>>>>>> part of her message in this interview.  If the WR report was
>>>>>>> indicative of other MP town hall reports then we have a self fulfilling
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She stated that she heard from passionate folks supporting PR & FPTP.
>>>>>>> I have attended 4 consultation meetings: three town halls and one
>>>>>>> ERRE committee open mic meeting.  There was no strong support for
>>>>>>> FPTP at any of those meetings.  All meetings were in SW Ont. or
>>>>>>> Toronto, so that may bias the views.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She stated that FVC's statement that the straw vote at the
>>>>>>> beginning of each of her town halls didn't included a vote on PR.  We have
>>>>>>> our town hall on video & I would like to review that segment of the
>>>>>>> meeting. Don't know if it is on our website yet, if not I will be in touch
>>>>>>> with Laurel to see if we can take a look at the section of the meeting. I
>>>>>>> remember the straw poll but don't recall if there was a vote on PR or if it
>>>>>>> was simply for a more general electoral system change. Does anyone else
>>>>>>> have a clear memory of the vote?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing that she didn't confirm was the strong, clear and
>>>>>>> definitive policy that all Liberal MPs campaigned on.  That seems
>>>>>>> to be forgotten.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should write to The House to remind the Liberals of their
>>>>>>> campaign promise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again Eleanor, very interesting and a great help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Eleanor Grant <
>>>>>>> eleanor7000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10-minute interview with host Chris Hall, Sat Nov 26:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thehouse/catherine-mckenna-on-her-gr
>>>>>>>> een-blueprint-and-dealing-with-trump-1.3868982?autoplay=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Segment starts at apx 22:22
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eleanor
>>>>>>>>
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