[fvc-wat-disc] The Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov 2016)

Tue Nov 29 17:38:02 EST 2016

No comments section either.

Sharon

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:20 PM, <daviddirks at rogers.com> wrote:

> Staff does not seem to have a lot of confidence in the voter; and, little
> inclination to educate us.
>
> David
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> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:30 AM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
> wrote:
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> Another item that just crossed my news feed:
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> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/no-ranked-
> ballots-for-2018-waterloo-region-municipal-elections-1.3861857
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> == No ranked ballots for 2018 Waterloo Region municipal elections ==
>
> > There will be no change to how residents elect municipal
> > politicians in 2018, according to a Region of Waterloo staff
> > report.
>
> [...]
>
> > But making that happen is a complicated process, Coun. Sean
> > Strickland told The Morning Edition host Craig Norris on CBC K-W on
> > Tuesday.
> >
> > "Because we're a two-tier system, we would need all municipalities
> > to agree to proceed to a ranked ballot. And as of last night, [the
> > City of] Waterloo actually decided not to proceed with a ranked
> > ballot for 2018."
> >
> > "It is dead in the water, in Region of Waterloo," said Strickland.
>
> [...]
>
> > According to the staff report, some municipalities are considering
> > adding a question to the 2018 ballot, asking voters if they would
> > like to move to ranked ballots in future elections.
>
>
> Sadly, the interview with Sean Strickland is not on the CBC-KW website.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-22 01:43 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> > (moving this to the Discussion List)
> >
> > Eleanor Grant wrote:
> >> Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> >> election cycle.
> >
> > That's only likely to happen if we mount a vigorous campaign to
> > pressure the six (seven?) municipal + regional councils to adopt a
> > ranked ballot, but only for mayor. Councillors should be elected
> > in multi-member wards using a ranked ballot and STV, but that
> > requires re-districting ward boundaries (or eliminating them), and
> > that's likely to be met with great resistance.
> >
> > As it is, I expect the Ontario provincial election to take place
> > in June 2018 (that's not official yet), and the Ontario municipal
> > elections in October 2018. Since we're all likely to be busy for
> > the provincial election, that leaves only three months between June
> > and October to work on municipal election reform. And with a fixed
> > four-year election cycle both provincially and municipally, that'll
> > be the case again in 2022.
> >
> > --Bob
> >
> > (is New Dundee part of Waterloo Region? If so, there's seven
> > municipal councils)
> >
> >
> > On 2016-11-22 12:19 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
> >> I'm only happy that the issues of municipal ranked ballots and
> >> federal PR won't be happening at the same time - it would make
> >> uninformed public think that ranked ballots would be a good idea
> >> federally too.  (Methinks this may have been Wynne's motive for
> >> bringing it in AT THIS TIME.)
> >
> >> Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> >> election cycle.
> >
> >> Eleanor
> >
> >> On 22 Nov 2016 10:00, "STUART CHANDLER"
> >> <stuchandler43 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Thanks Bob. ‎Thanks for the info. I'm guessing Whaley did not
> >>> expand on his "reason" for having FPTP for 149 years.
> >>> (Normally having just about anything completely unchanged for
> >>> that length of time would be seen as shocking, and cause for
> >>> serious concern. I don't supposed he'd like to submit to the
> >>> 1867 version of health care.) if he did explain, it would
> >>> likely have something to do with "common sense" and
> >>> simplicity.
> >>>
> >>> My sense of "the reason" (other than mental & emotional
> >>> laziness, plus fear of change - ie: lack of imagination,
> >>> caring, & courage) is that we have "inherited" it from our
> >>> historical past which has been one based on dictatorship and
> >>> control over "the masses" by a monarch or some set of elites.
> >>> In other words, it is a remnant of the very types of regimes
> >>> that democracy was supposed to replace - a fact that seems to
> >>> be lost on folks like Mr. Whaley.
> >>>
> >>> When those we elect to positions of leadership lack the vision
> >>> to recognize a flawed system, the imagination to recognize one
> >>> that with the potential to move the cause of democracy
> >>> forward, and/or the courage to do something about it, how do we
> >>> respond?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again. Stu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
> >>> Original Message From: Bob Jonkman Sent: Tuesday, November 22,
> >>> 2016 8:36 AM To: FairvoteWRC Letter Writing Group Subject: The
> >>> Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov
> >>> 2016)
> >>>
> >> In The Record on Monday is an article on municipal ranked ballots
> >>  being denied in the City of Waterloo, as well as online or
> >> electronic voting.
> >
> >
> >> http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6979179-waterloo-
> >> rejects-online-voting-ranked-ballot/
> >
> >> While I'm happy to see online and electronic voting getting
> >> turned down, the last line of the article is somewhat
> >> disturbing:
> >
> >>>>> Also Monday, council voted not to pursue ranked-ballot
> >>>>> voting for the 2018 municipal contest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We've had the first-past-the-post for 149 years for a
> >>>>> reason," Coun. Mark Whaley said.
> >
> >> I agree with Councillor Whaley, there *is* a reason we've had
> >> FPTP for 149 years, but I don't think that reason is what he
> >> thinks it is.
> >
> >> --Bob.
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
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