[fvc-wat-disc] The Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov 2016)

Tue Nov 29 22:57:45 EST 2016

Well, not right now, but maybe come June, we could mount a letter writing
campaign--to the clerk.  To the staff.  Let's drive them crazy for a while,
while we urge them to do their jobs for us citizens.  Then once we've worn
down the staff, we move in on the councillors.

They don't take orders from staff, they take them from us.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:53 PM, John Cooper <johnco at golden.net> wrote:

> Mayor Jaworski voted in favour of online voting. As a former blackberry
> exec and UW Math grad, he knows more than all of the other councillors and
> most staff about IT safety, security etc.
>
> How do change minds of people like Brian Bourke and others?
>
> These are ones who vote for a policy.
>
>
>
> Senior staff will provide the information and reports that they want to
> provide.
>
> For 39 yrs. I worked in municipal gov’t. I know how devious – and stupid -
> managers can be.
>
>
>
> The public wants voting to be easier, more accessible.
>
> It’s going to require a tidal wave of outrage at these councillors to
> change their thinking.
>
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
> Behalf Of *cdcampbell9 at gmail.com
> *Sent:* November-29-16 8:25 PM
> *To:* daviddirks at rogers.com; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] The Record: Waterloo rejects online voting,
> ranked ballot (21 Nov 2016)
>
>
>
> My husband told me Waterloo has the highest number of university graduates
> of any municipality in Canada. We ought to be able to be taught. Try us.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
> *From: *daviddirks at rogers.com
>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:28 PM
>
> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>
> *Reply To: *daviddirks at rogers.com
>
> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] The Record: Waterloo rejects online voting,
> ranked
>
> ballot (21 Nov 2016)
>
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>
> Staff does not seem to have a lot of confidence in the voter; and, little
> inclination to educate us.
>
>
>
> David
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>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 2:30 AM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
> wrote:
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> Another item that just crossed my news feed:
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> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/no-ranked-
> ballots-for-2018-waterloo-region-municipal-elections-1.3861857
>
> == No ranked ballots for 2018 Waterloo Region municipal elections ==
>
> > There will be no change to how residents elect municipal
> > politicians in 2018, according to a Region of Waterloo staff
> > report.
>
> [...]
>
> > But making that happen is a complicated process, Coun. Sean
> > Strickland told The Morning Edition host Craig Norris on CBC K-W on
> > Tuesday.
> >
> > "Because we're a two-tier system, we would need all municipalities
> > to agree to proceed to a ranked ballot. And as of last night, [the
> > City of] Waterloo actually decided not to proceed with a ranked
> > ballot for 2018."
> >
> > "It is dead in the water, in Region of Waterloo," said Strickland.
>
> [...]
>
> > According to the staff report, some municipalities are considering
> > adding a question to the 2018 ballot, asking voters if they would
> > like to move to ranked ballots in future elections.
>
>
> Sadly, the interview with Sean Strickland is not on the CBC-KW website.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-22 01:43 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> > (moving this to the Discussion List)
> >
> > Eleanor Grant wrote:
> >> Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> >> election cycle.
> >
> > That's only likely to happen if we mount a vigorous campaign to
> > pressure the six (seven?) municipal + regional councils to adopt a
> > ranked ballot, but only for mayor. Councillors should be elected
> > in multi-member wards using a ranked ballot and STV, but that
> > requires re-districting ward boundaries (or eliminating them), and
> > that's likely to be met with great resistance.
> >
> > As it is, I expect the Ontario provincial election to take place
> > in June 2018 (that's not official yet), and the Ontario municipal
> > elections in October 2018. Since we're all likely to be busy for
> > the provincial election, that leaves only three months between June
> > and October to work on municipal election reform. And with a fixed
> > four-year election cycle both provincially and municipally, that'll
> > be the case again in 2022.
> >
> > --Bob
> >
> > (is New Dundee part of Waterloo Region? If so, there's seven
> > municipal councils)
> >
> >
> > On 2016-11-22 12:19 PM, Eleanor Grant wrote:
> >> I'm only happy that the issues of municipal ranked ballots and
> >> federal PR won't be happening at the same time - it would make
> >> uninformed public think that ranked ballots would be a good idea
> >> federally too.  (Methinks this may have been Wynne's motive for
> >> bringing it in AT THIS TIME.)
> >
> >> Let's hope municipal ranked ballots will be discussed again next
> >> election cycle.
> >
> >> Eleanor
> >
> >> On 22 Nov 2016 10:00, "STUART CHANDLER"
> >> <stuchandler43 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Thanks Bob. ‎Thanks for the info. I'm guessing Whaley did not
> >>> expand on his "reason" for having FPTP for 149 years.
> >>> (Normally having just about anything completely unchanged for
> >>> that length of time would be seen as shocking, and cause for
> >>> serious concern. I don't supposed he'd like to submit to the
> >>> 1867 version of health care.) if he did explain, it would
> >>> likely have something to do with "common sense" and
> >>> simplicity.
> >>>
> >>> My sense of "the reason" (other than mental & emotional
> >>> laziness, plus fear of change - ie: lack of imagination,
> >>> caring, & courage) is that we have "inherited" it from our
> >>> historical past which has been one based on dictatorship and
> >>> control over "the masses" by a monarch or some set of elites.
> >>> In other words, it is a remnant of the very types of regimes
> >>> that democracy was supposed to replace - a fact that seems to
> >>> be lost on folks like Mr. Whaley.
> >>>
> >>> When those we elect to positions of leadership lack the vision
> >>> to recognize a flawed system, the imagination to recognize one
> >>> that with the potential to move the cause of democracy
> >>> forward, and/or the courage to do something about it, how do we
> >>> respond?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again. Stu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
> >>> Original Message From: Bob Jonkman Sent: Tuesday, November 22,
> >>> 2016 8:36 AM To: FairvoteWRC Letter Writing Group Subject: The
> >>> Record: Waterloo rejects online voting, ranked ballot (21 Nov
> >>> 2016)
> >>>
> >> In The Record on Monday is an article on municipal ranked ballots
> >>  being denied in the City of Waterloo, as well as online or
> >> electronic voting.
> >
> >
> >> http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6979179-waterloo-
> >> rejects-online-voting-ranked-ballot/
> >
> >> While I'm happy to see online and electronic voting getting
> >> turned down, the last line of the article is somewhat
> >> disturbing:
> >
> >>>>> Also Monday, council voted not to pursue ranked-ballot
> >>>>> voting for the 2018 municipal contest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "We've had the first-past-the-post for 149 years for a
> >>>>> reason," Coun. Mark Whaley said.
> >
> >> I agree with Councillor Whaley, there *is* a reason we've had
> >> FPTP for 149 years, but I don't think that reason is what he
> >> thinks it is.
> >
> >> --Bob.
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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