[fvc-wat-disc] Total ballots ...

[Bob Jonkman]

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No, those votes are "wasted", all right.

In our electoral system only a single person gets elected in one
riding. Any vote for a non-winning candidate does not  contribute to
the strength of any other party or candidate; the outcome would have
been the same if that person had not voted at all.

If the ballot you cast for a non-winning candidate is
indistinguishable from a ballot that was thrown in the garbage, it's a
wasted vote.

This is why we're advocating for Proportional Representation. Under PR
*every* vote cast contributes towards a seat in parliament. If it does
not strengthen the position for one of the candidates in your
(multi-member) riding, then it goes to strengthen the seat count for
that party nationally.

Different electoral systems accomplish this is in different ways; I'm
sure there are many people on this list who are willing to dive into
the minutiae of any voting system you'd like.

- --Bob.


On 2017-02-27 05:54 PM, John Cooper wrote:
> in a democracy (whatever that is) , no vote is a ‘wasted vote’.
> Everyone who meets the criteria has a right – and a duty as a
> citizen - to vote.
> 
> It’s only wasted if you did not vote according to your principles
> and values for the person or party who shares those with you or you
> did not vote at all.
> 
> 
> 
> There’s a difference between a ‘wasted vote’ and a ‘principled
> vote’.
> 
> 
> 
> The real issue is whether the person elected receives more than a
> simple plurality of votes over the other candidates.
> 
> Is that democracy?
> 
> 
> 
> The people who voted for the ‘winners’ and are not happy with the
> decisions of those ‘winners’ after they gained power – those are
> wasted votes
> 
> because you did not vote according to your principles. You got
> ‘sucked in’ by the promises of liars.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: fvc-wat-disc
> [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] On Behalf Of
> Eleanor Grant Sent: February-27-17 5:08 PM To:
> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Total
> ballots ...
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Fair Voters -
> 
> 
> 
> These are the numbers that Jenn found for me on Feb 9.
> 
> 
> 
> Results of 2015 Oct 19 election:
> 
> 35,749,600 - Population of Canada
> 
> 25,638,379 - Eligible Voters
> 
> 17,559,353 - Ballots cast
> 
> 8,214,532 - Effective votes
> 
> 9,106,926 - "Wasted" votes, elected no one.
> 
> 
> 
> I noticed the numbers don't add up;
> 
> 237,895 votes are unaccounted for.
> 
> Would there be that many spoiled ballots across the country?
> 
> 
> 
> But even if all of these were added to the effective votes, they're
> still far outnumbered by the votes which elected no one.  That's
> scandalous.
> 
> 
> 
> Eleanor
> 
> 
> 
> 
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