[fvc-wat-disc] Cohn column in today's Star

Sharon Sommerville sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Thu Jan 12 10:15:47 EST 2017


Way to go Dave.  It will be interesting if Martin responds to your email.
What is so astounding is that all the best evidence in the world is
contained in one tidy package, the ERRE report.  We should send the link to
it when obstinate type like Martin turn up.

Have a great day,
Sharon

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:

> Martin Reg Cohn had a column in today’s Star.
> https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/01/11/a-short-
> surprising-history-of-democratic-reform-cohn.html
> I sent him an e-mail rather than a letter to the ed since they have so far
> refused to publish my rebuttal to Bob Hepburn’s piece a few weeks ago.
> Do they shy away from letters about their writers errors?
> Anyway, here’s my e-mail to Martin and the submission about Hepburn’s
> piece.
>
> Hello Martin
> Just read your column today.
> Too bad many in the media can’t seem to get their information correct.
> I sent a letter to the editor about the errors in Bob Hepburn’s piece a
> few weeks ago.
> It was *Changing our voting system a bad idea: Trudeau is smart to back
> away from ill-conceived election promise*
> Your paper has so far refused to publish it.
> I’ve included it below if you’re interested.
> You and others point to the failed attempts to get PR in Canada.
> The fact is that BC voted 58% for STV but the government, who didn’t
> really want it, required 60%.
> That in spite of the fact that 37% can give a government 100% power.
> In the recent referendum in PEI the voters who were paying attention and
> cared about their electoral system voted for MMP but there were too many
> who were not paying attention or didn’t care and didn’t vote.
> The Ontario referendum was a sham in that the government made no effort to
> publicize the issue or the work of the  Citizens’ Assembly.
> Polls showed that 50% of Ontarians had no clue about the issue and 70%
> didn’t know what MMP was.
> Duh, it’s a two sided ballot where you vote for your choice of local
> candidate and vote for your choice of party and a portion of the seats are
> top-ups to achieve PR. Duh!
> Yes, the UK (i.e. England) uses FPTP and voted down AV (not a PR system).
> But when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland created their own
> parliaments in 1998 they gave the boot to FPTP in favour of PR and without
> referendums. How dare they?
> 90% of EU and OECD countries use PR.
> Friends in Sweden, New Zealand, and Scotland can’t understand why Canada
> is so stuck on an unfair and unrepresentative system.
> I talk to a lot of Canadians about electoral reform.
> Too many of them ask what’s that about, what’s wrong with what we have, or
> why would I want to see parties other than the Conservatives and Liberals
> get representation at my expense.
> When I explain the issue, the distortions, the unequal votes, etc., etc.,
> many of them come onside.
> What is needed is education, education, education.
> It would be nice if the media would help.
> Dave Arthur, Kitchener
>
>
>
> Hepburn’s Arguments Ill-Conceived
>
> Bob Hepburn says changing our voting system is a bad idea.  But 88% of
> the witnesses and briefs submitted by Canadians who have studied the issue
> say we need proportional representation, the system used by 90% of other
> developed democracies in the world.  What do those countries know that
> Hepburn doesn’t?  PR countries typically have more stable, longer lasting
> governments, better representation for all citizens, more cooperation and
> consensus, less partisan bitterness, longer range planning, less policy
> lurch, better voter turnouts, and sincere rather than strategic voting.  Systems
> using multi-member or larger ridings with additional MPs give constituents
> more, not less contact with representatives.  Candidate lists adding
> proportional MPs can be open and ranked by voters adding more democracy,
> not less.  Canada is almost alone with its unfair version of democracy.
> Friends in countries with PR can’t believe we have stayed with a system
> where votes are not equal and too many do not count toward representation.
>
>
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