[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
Anita Nickerson
anitann88 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 13:13:12 EDT 2017
If it turns out the we can't get the front and back done for the same price
(it might only be the front!) then I'll be skipping that one and moving to
the next if that one happens to win. Sharon will let us know by the end of
the day what the winner is. Carry on :)
Anita
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> HI,
> I've been studying all of these as the discussion has gone on. I choose
>
> #4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional as best for its simplicity.
>
> Then
>
> l#5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>
> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
> but both of these seem a little obscure for folks not engaged in the issue.
>
> # 12 & 13 would be good to start a conversation, but, without that,
> wouldn't be very helpful. So it would depend on where the t-shirts will be
> worn (obviously).
>
> Tough topic to reduce to a t-shirt slogan.
>
> Thanks,
> Corliss
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My second round: 13, 5, 1, 7
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>
>>>
>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>
>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>
>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
>>> Proportional Representation
>>>
>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>
>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>> 60% Seats
>>> 100 Power
>>> Not Democracy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> Second Round!
>>>>
>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>
>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>
>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>
>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks? Back:
>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>
>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so I'm
>>>> throwing it in on this round:
>>>>
>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>> 60% Seats
>>>> 100 Power
>>>> Not Democracy
>>>>
>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't imagine
>>>>> doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you choose the design, I will compile the results of the vote
>>>>> and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5 of
>>>>> each? What are you thinking? I'm assuming that people will buy them, what
>>>>> are you thinking? If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make a
>>>>> little on them. What to you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has a
>>>>>>> template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I think
>>>>>>> the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother England
>>>>>>> ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from American
>>>>>>> history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ... catchy but
>>>>>>> goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection. Let's each pick our preferred
>>>>>>> T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>> 1. True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>> 2. Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>> 3. Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>> 4. Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>> 5. Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>> 6. We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>> 7. Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>> 8. Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>> 9. Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>> 10. Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>> 11. No Taxation without Proportional Representation Edited this
>>>>>>> one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>> 12. 39=54=100?
>>>>>>> 13. What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>> My picks: 5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach
>>>>>>> far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ...
>>>>>>> e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message
>>>>>>> without discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make
>>>>>>> it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were
>>>>>>> received:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair & Proportional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" * - the
>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use
>>>>>>> a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for
>>>>>>> a majority! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one
>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear
>>>>>>> in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our
>>>>>>> decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>> taken! Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> The best I thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a decision,
>>>>>>> that is the question!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are seeing
>>>>>>> so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the t-shirt
>>>>>>> wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
>>>>>>> session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in
>>>>>>> the past, where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas,
>>>>>>> and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a catchy
>>>>>>> message to put on them. Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality for
>>>>>>> all voters in just a few words. If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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