[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Michael O'Brien emandjayobrien at gmail.com
Tue Jul 25 22:29:13 EDT 2017


If possible I'd like an orange shirt with black or green lettering.

Mike. O'Brien.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:

> Great. I want one.
>
>
> *From:* Jennifer Ross
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>
> They've been ordered, you realize.  I think she got it perfect!
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>
>> I think the demand for representation should be the same size as fair and
>> proportional.
>> Four lines is okay.
>>
>>      Demand
>> Representation
>>      Fair and
>>   Proportional
>>
>> Dave A
>>
>> *From:* STUART CHANDLER
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
>> *To:* Anita Nickerson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>
>> If #5 is the winner, I suggest :
>> A large DEMAND at the top - to grab attention - (then people may be moved
>> to read the rest of the statement).
>> Thanks.
>> Stu.
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>> *From: *Anita Nickerson
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:21 PM
>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>> Okay, the winner is #5.
>>
>> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's what
>> it looks like now - screenshot below.
>>
>> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be all on
>> one line.
>>
>> I can change the colour of the letters.
>>>> I can move the whole thing down.
>>
>> SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Corliss.
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> # 5
>>>>
>>>> Corliss
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't
>>>>>>>> imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of the
>>>>>>>> vote and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe 4/5
>>>>>>>> of each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will buy them,
>>>>>>>> what are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and make
>>>>>>>> a little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it has
>>>>>>>>>> a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt in
>>>>>>>>>> block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinker
>>>>>>>>>> s.org>, Jennifer Ross <jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the back.
>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region
>>>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I
>>>>>>>>>> think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother
>>>>>>>>>> England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited
>>>>>>>>>> this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we
>>>>>>>>>> reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us
>>>>>>>>>> ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to
>>>>>>>>>> make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional
>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could
>>>>>>>>>> use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look
>>>>>>>>>> for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The one
>>>>>>>>>> above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to
>>>>>>>>>> bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make
>>>>>>>>>> our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite cartoonist
>>>>>>>>>> Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford to
>>>>>>>>>> purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI, All,
>>>>>>>>>> I have been keeping up with everyone’s responses about the
>>>>>>>>>> t-shirt wording and I wonder whether it would be helpful to have a
>>>>>>>>>> ‘brainstorming’ session to come up with a catchy phrase.
>>>>>>>>>> I have found this method quite productive, and we have used it in
>>>>>>>>>> the past,  where we write down everyone’s words, phrases, concepts, ideas,
>>>>>>>>>> and use the results to focus and formulate a ‘catchy message’.
>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are thinking about ordering new FVC t-shirts and we need a
>>>>>>>>>> catchy message to put on them.  Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The message should express our message of fairness and equality
>>>>>>>>>> for all voters in just a few words.  If you have any ideas or suggestions,
>>>>>>>>>> please let us know!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>> for FVC-WR
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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