[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message

Cathy Scott cathy.scottfree at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 10:36:30 EDT 2017 

Thanks for organizing the t-shirt project. I am so looking forward to
wearing it and handing shirts out to my friends.
I think new t-shirts will help express our message and energize our work
toward achieving PR for Canada
Cathy

On Jul 25, 2017 10:51 PM, "Anita Nickerson" <anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What we got for that price is white. I think they also had black but it
> was another $7 per shirt.
>
> We can have better shirts in future with colours or pictures - for now, we
> have something new :)
>
> Anita
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Michael O'Brien <
> emandjayobrien at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If possible I'd like an orange shirt with black or green lettering.
>>
>> Mike. O'Brien.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Great. I want one.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jennifer Ross
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
>>> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>
>>> They've been ordered, you realize.  I think she got it perfect!
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Dave Arthur <arthurd23 at bell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the demand for representation should be the same size as fair
>>>> and proportional.
>>>> Four lines is okay.
>>>>
>>>>      Demand
>>>> Representation
>>>>      Fair and
>>>>   Proportional
>>>>
>>>> Dave A
>>>>
>>>> *From:* STUART CHANDLER
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
>>>> *To:* Anita Nickerson ; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>
>>>> If #5 is the winner, I suggest :
>>>> A large DEMAND at the top - to grab attention - (then people may be
>>>> moved to read the rest of the statement).
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Stu.
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.
>>>> *From: *Anita Nickerson
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 8:21 PM
>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>> ‎
>>>> Okay, the winner is #5.
>>>>
>>>> Vistaprint is a type in your text and it appears type thing. Here's
>>>> what it looks like now - screenshot below.
>>>>
>>>> I can make the "demand representation" bigger but then it won't be all
>>>> on one line.
>>>>
>>>> I can change the colour of the letters.
>>>> ‎
>>>> I can move the whole thing down.
>>>>
>>>> SUGGEST IMPROVEMENTS.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Corliss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Corliss Olson <cpolson11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> # 5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Corliss
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My second round:  13, 5, 1, 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, there is a second round:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway so
>>>>>>>> I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, David Dolson <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do we get to vote again?
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:33 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second Round!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Each of these suggestions received 3 votes overall:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #5 - Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #7 - Vote To Make Your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #13 - Front: What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?  Back:
>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one was left off the numbered list but got two votes anyway
>>>>>>>>> so I'm throwing it in on this round:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #1a - 40% Votes
>>>>>>>>>          60% Seats
>>>>>>>>>          100 Power
>>>>>>>>>       Not Democracy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote soon!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you everyone!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:07 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, we haven't reached much a conclusion on the message, can't
>>>>>>>>>> imagine doing this for the design as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you choose the design,  I will compile the results of the
>>>>>>>>>> vote and get it to you later tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sizewise, a mix of smalls, med, larges and extra larges? Maybe
>>>>>>>>>> 4/5 of each?  What are you thinking?  I'm assuming that people will buy
>>>>>>>>>> them, what are you thinking?  If they are, we could ask $10 for the t's and
>>>>>>>>>> make a little on them.  What to you think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, this is cool. They do the work for you and you get to choose
>>>>>>>>>>> between a lot of designs. Want me to ask people what design they want?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vistaprint.ca/gallery/IB8DAAABACgBAAA=/fruit-of-t
>>>>>>>>>>> he-loom%C2%AE-ink-printed-heavy-cotton-hd%E2%84%A2-long-slee
>>>>>>>>>>> ve-t-shirts.aspx?xnav=WomensTshirts_TsrButton
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Anita Nickerson <
>>>>>>>>>>> anitann88 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about I order these shirts tomorrow. I have no idea if it
>>>>>>>>>>>> has a template where I just type in the text and they put it on the shirt
>>>>>>>>>>>> in block letters or whether I need to design artwork. If it's the first, no
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. If it's the second, somehow I doubt I'll be able to make something
>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks good for say 10 different shirts :). Will check into it later
>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anita
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: David dirks <daviddirks at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <
>>>>>>>>>>>> fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jenn at jenniferross.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> # 12 w Jay's Proportional Representation on the back
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> # 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:56 PM, Cathy Scott <
>>>>>>>>>>>> cathy.scottfree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I vote for # 5 for the front of the t-shirt and # 14 for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cathy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at l
>>>>>>>>>>>> istserv.thinkers.org] *On Behalf Of *David Dolson
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Donald Fraser; Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎It was supposed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation *without* Proportional Representation"‎
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is supposed to sound vaguely familiar from some history
>>>>>>>>>>>> class.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Donald Fraser
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Jennifer Ross; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to appear dumb but now I have to admit it ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think the following refers to the objections of the 13 colonies to Mother
>>>>>>>>>>>> England ... "No taxation without representation" ... I remember from
>>>>>>>>>>>> American history in SS ... but I don't think the average voter would ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> catchy but goes over the heads of too many.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation with Proportional Representation"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 July 2017 at 12:37, Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, we have a fantastic selection.  Let's each pick our
>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred T-shirt, shall we?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  True democracy should be - fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Want PR - don't trust a Liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Vote much? - fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without
>>>>>>>>>>>> Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>> 11.  No Taxation without Proportional Representation  Edited
>>>>>>>>>>>> this one because we don't want to promise the moon!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.  39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 13.  What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now that I've done this, I want a ranked ballot because I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really like several of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My picks:  5, 7, 12, 13
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Proportional Representation" on the back?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> donaldafraser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we
>>>>>>>>>>>> reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us
>>>>>>>>>>>> ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>> message without discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <judkowitz at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <ddolson at golden.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make it sound like a bad thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ‎"What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Sharon Sommerville
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Jay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <
>>>>>>>>>>>> judkowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.  One more.  I liked the idea of a question to spur
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they
>>>>>>>>>>>> were received:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Your vote should count"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "40% votes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 60% seats
>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% power"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> True democracy should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> fair representation for all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democracy: Fair, Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Demand Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We want Representation: Fair‎ & Proportional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote to make your Vote Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional is best for all voters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "No Taxation without Proportional Representation" *   - the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 39=54=100?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could
>>>>>>>>>>>> use a ranked ballot? :)  Send in your top 4,  we will compile them and look
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a majority! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome.  The
>>>>>>>>>>>> one above is just a place to start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, revisions to any message are also welcome.  One thing to
>>>>>>>>>>>> bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> our decision by Monday night.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well
>>>>>>>>>>>> taken!  Hope to hear from you soon!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather excellent!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <
>>>>>>>>>>>> erosamond at worldline.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The best I  thought of is in the style of my favourite
>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoonist Sid Barron:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vote much?
>>>>>>>>>>>> fairvote.ca
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great ideas everyone!  Enjoyed reading all of them!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can afford
>>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase the Tshirts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we make a decision over the weekend?  How do we make a
>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, that is the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Jennifer Ross <
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2jennross at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heheh!
>>>>>>>>>>>> But its a good idea, Cathy.  Maybe we can do that at our next
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion group?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:33 AM, David Dolson <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ddolson at golden.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is why you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing so many bad ideas from me :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Cathy Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, July 21, 2017 3:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *'FVC Waterloo Region Discussion'
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Reply To: *FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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