[fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
Sharon Sommerville
sharonsommerville at gmail.com
Sun Mar 12 19:52:42 EDT 2017
Hi John,
My, that is a good one! Yep, one must take everything Bardish says with a
giant block of salt.
Cheers,
S.
On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 7:11 PM, John Cooper <johnco at golden.net> wrote:
> Excellent comments, Sharon!
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> “Bardish is a very smooth talker and when needed, she makes stuff up as
> she goes depending on what she thinks the person in front of her needs to
> hear. “
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> Yes she does!
>
> Several years ago, at a Labor Day picnic she told me that “We need more
> New Democrats elected”.
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> “She has recently taken a strip off some people…..”
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> The first time we met, she did that to me! And she was totally ‘out to
> lunch’ with the comment she made.
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> Do not believe anything she says and do not trust her.
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> *From:* fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces at listserv.thinkers.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Sharon Sommerville
> *Sent:* March-12-17 6:58 PM
> *To:* FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger
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> Hi Martha,
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> Great to hear about your conversation with Bardish. Thanks for letting us
> know about it. It is always interesting to hear what Liberal MPs are saying
> to justify breaking an important promise about democracy.
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> The week before last, 7 people met with Bardish at her office, generally
> they reported similar conversations to the one that you had with her. She
> wants you to think she cares about you and what you think, mainly she is
> smoothing ruffled feathers hoping that you will support her re-election in
> 2019. Bardish supports electoral reform, what she doesn't say is that she
> supports Alternative Vote which for PR supporters is as good as no change.
> Bardish is a very smooth talker and when needed, she makes stuff up as she
> goes depending on what she thinks the person in front of her needs to
> hear. Such as the comments about FVC being dismissive toward people who
> don't share our point of view. I can't speak for every PR supporter and
> every conversation anyone has ever had but I can confidently say that any
> conversation at a FVC information table or information evening is
> respectful. That is just more made up stuff like when she told a PR
> supporter that she thought that FVC educational material was way over the
> heads of the average Cdn. or that the government had additional information
> that we don't have that they used to make the decision on the direction of
> electoral reform etc.. She has recently taken a strip off some people.
> When she knows the talking points aren't going to work, she goes on the
> offense and is quite offensive. Glad that you didn't get that treatment.
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> It would be great if Bardish called me, I would respect her for that but
> it has been over 5 weeks since the announcement and no call.... not
> expecting one at this point! :)
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> Thanks again Martha, appreciate your perspective.
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> All the best,
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> Sharon
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> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Martha Lauzon <mmlauzon at uwaterloo.ca>
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take action where
> appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)
>
> Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral reform. A lot of
> what she was saying was basically talking points, i.e., we need to govern
> for all Canadians, not just people like you & me who are knowledgeable.
> Well, yes, but if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the
> government should launch an education campaign? She claims that's what the
> new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical about, but since I haven't read
> the bill, I wasn't able to speak to the point. I did mention the new Local
> PR initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the phone, but
> which turns up with a quick Google search. She said she would look into it,
> and just in case she gets stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm
> helpful like that.
>
> I'm concerned because she says that many constituents approached her after
> the town halls, saying that they had felt that FVC folks were very
> dismissive of opinions that run counter to ours, and that instead of being
> brought in to the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's
> not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work on, to be more
> welcoming and information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of us
> have been working on this for years and years, and it can be easy to get
> impatient with people who are just hearing about PR for the first time,
> especially if they don't see the light right out of the gate.
>
> She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and while most
> people they talked to advocated reform, once they asked people what system
> they preferred, FPTP came out the winner. I asked her if this survey and
> its results were public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that
> were asked, but she dodged that one.
>
> She also had the nerve to champion the mydemocracy.ca survey. I may be
> reading more into her explanation than she intended, but what I heard was
> that they deliberately didn't ask any questions related to electoral reform
> because people aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS
> because they could have constructed questions that addressed PR without
> using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her guns that what they really
> cared about was people's values (and "hard working people everywhere").
>
> So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several times that she
> herself was committed to electoral reform but now that they're governing
> for all Canadians they need to set personal preferences aside in favour of
> the greater good yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the
> first time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to address
> issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well with a
> polite written PFO.
>
> Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.
>
> Cheers,
> Martha
>
>
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> 1. Re: been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (STUART CHANDLER)
> 2. Re: Chagger tweets (fvc-wat-disc Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10)
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:02:06 -0500
> From: STUART CHANDLER <stuchandler43 at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Fraser <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>, FVC Waterloo
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> From: Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
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> Donald, what's your Twitter handle?
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> > 1. been monitoring Chagger-Tweet (Donald Fraser)
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:45:35 -0500
> > Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> > nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> > a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
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> > cheers,
> > Don
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> > From: Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> > To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org>
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com>
> > To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring Chagger-Tweet
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> > Good work Don!
> >
> > Best,
> > Jon
> > On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:
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> > NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an opportunity!
> >
> > On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far
> >> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I
> have
> >> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
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