[fvc-wat-disc] monthly meeting next Thursday

Mary Jackes mkj at bell.net
Sat Aug 1 15:47:44 EDT 2020


i didn't remember until the meeting was almost half way through. It was 
obviously a forgetful night.

On 2020-08-01 2:24 p.m., Cathy Scott wrote:
> Hi, All,
> I am sooo sorry to all of you who tried to get into our meeting on 
> Thursday evening.
> I completely forgot about the meeting and didn't think of it till this 
> morning.
> Should we schedule the meeting for next Thursday, Aug. 6th?
> Cathy
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:01 PM Peter Croves <petercroves at gmail.com 
> <mailto:petercroves at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     is meeting on?. i go to the link and nothing happens and i go to
>     zoom, there is no meeting listed
>
>     On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:19 PM Peter Croves
>     <petercroves at gmail.com <mailto:petercroves at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         noted, i should be on hand for meeting
>
>         On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Jennifer Ross
>         <2jennross at gmail.com <mailto:2jennross at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Hi Cathy.  Meeting sounds great!
>
>             Unfortunately, there's a Green debate at that time and I
>             already said I was going to it.
>
>             Jenn
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>             519-501-2736
>             No other Western democratic country concentrates as much
>             political power in the hands of one person as Canada does
>             with her Prime Minister.
>
>
>             On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:11 PM Cathy Scott
>             <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com
>             <mailto:cathy.scottfree at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Hi, All,
>                 Next Thursday, July 30 is our next regular meeting. 
>                 The link is below.  Please note that the meeting will
>                 start at 7:00, which is our usual time.  I scheduled
>                 the start time on Zoom for 6:30 so I can open the
>                 meeting a little early, so we don't miss anyone.
>
>                 The discussion topic on the agenda is:
>                 'Selecting replacement candidates when an elected
>                 member cannot fulfil his/her term'
>                 *Please advise of any other content for the agenda.*
>                 *
>                 *
>                 *Also, here is my synopsis of  the Zoom presentation
>                 (July 15th), called 'Catching the Deliberative Wave'.
>                 (I think others of our group also attended this), *
>                 * This  was the launch of the OECD's report on
>                 'Innovative Citizen Participation and New Democratic
>                 Institutions'.  The report was a study of the use of
>                 deliberative processes (variously called, 'reference
>                 panels', 'citizens' assemblies', 'citizens' juries',
>                 'planning cells') which have been used increasingly
>                 worldwide, since the 1980s, to engage citizens in
>                 developing informed recommendations on an issue, which
>                 governing authorities then use to develop policies. *
>                 *
>                 *
>                 *Claudian Chwalisz, one of the authors of the report,
>                 presented a summary of the report:*
>
>                   * *the deliberative process is commissioned by a
>                     public authority and the deliberating group is
>                     randomly selected, and demographically stratified
>                     by gender, age, geographic location, economic
>                     status, etc.,*
>                   * *the study included 289 cases of deliberative
>                     process worldwide, 40 of which were in Canada, at
>                     all levels of government*
>                   * *types of issues that were addressed included
>                     values-driven dilemnas, long-term problems, etc. 
>                     See the graphic in the report, attached below.*
>                   * *criteria for a successful process included
>                     random/balanced selection of members of the group,
>                     sufficient time for the process, clear and
>                     specific definition of the issue,  provision of
>                     comprehensive information to the group.  THe
>                     report has a graphic which shows the complete
>                     criteria.*
>                   * *benefits of a deliberative process:*
>                       o *better policy outcomes*
>                       o *greater legitimacy - politicians can say
>                         their policies are based on citizens' informed
>                         judgements, rather than 'opinions' gathered
>                         through conventional means of gathering
>                         citizens' feedback, such as townhalls,
>                         surveys, etc.*
>                       o *enhances public trust*
>                       o *signals civic respect and empowers citizens*
>                       o *strengthens integrity of governing bodies*
>                       o *helps counteract polarization and disinformation*
>                   * *discussion of reasons and methods of embedding
>                     public deliberation as an institution, as has been
>                     done in some countries, such as France.*
>                   * *12 different models of deliberative processes are
>                     described in the report*
>
>                 *Claudia's summary was followed by a panel discussion by *
>
>                   * *Peter McLeod, from MASS LBP, an organization
>                     which designs and conducts deliberative processes
>                     for governing authorities, corporations, etc.  He
>                     pointed out that 1400 Canadians have been involved
>                     in approximately 40 deliberative processes in
>                     Canada. Participants gain a better understanding
>                     of the complexity of an issue, and greater empathy
>                     for other points of view.  Citizens have an
>                     opportunity to engage meaningfully in
>                     decision-making, promoting 'inclusive governance',
>                     in democracy .  These opportunities improve
>                     citizens' 'democratic fitness', by sharing in the
>                     privilege to speak for others *
>                   * *Leslie Woo, from Metrolinx, the corporation that
>                     is planning and building transit expansion in the
>                     GTA and surrounding  areas.  Metrolinx has worked
>                     with MASS LBP to gather information from citizens,
>                     in order to plan for the transit needs in the
>                     GTA.  She pointed out that the
>                     deliberative process concept needs champions who
>                     believe in that better policies result, and who
>                     are not afraid of the outcome of  a deliberative
>                     process, who can let go of control of the outcome. *
>                   * *Karen Fuller, who is on the 'Open Government
>                     Team', which is the outreach and engagement team
>                     of the federal government.  SHe pointed out that
>                     citizen deliberation is important to policy-makers
>                     who are looking for tools to help make complex
>                     decisions;  that it is important
>                     that people believe in what the government is
>                     doing.  Deliberative processes have not been
>                     widely used in government - somewhat by Health
>                     Canada.  Her team's challenges are to promote this
>                     concept within the government, and to move the
>                     findings of the OECD report into government
>                     practice, by  briefing senior management;
>                     justifying the concept of deliberative process, 
>                     to garner support for implementing it.  See
>                     chapter 3 of the report regarding increasing
>                     trends toward deliberative process, and chapter 5
>                     regarding principles.  She finds this information
>                     useful in briefing public servants, since they are
>                     inclined to want to ground things in tenets and
>                     principles.*
>
>                 *
>                 *
>                 *I am attaching the  'Highlights' of the OECD report -
>                 see below. (You can also see the whole report, by
>                 Googling 'United Nations Democracy Fund', but the
>                 whole report is 240 pages, or so, and the 'Highlights'
>                 document is about 48 pages, which is long enough for
>                 me!).*
>
>
>                 Here is the link to our meeting next Thursday.
>
>                 Topic: monthly discussion group meeting
>                 Time: Jul 30, 2020 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>
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