[fvc-wat-disc] monthly meeting next Thursday
Peter Croves
petercroves at gmail.com
Thu Jul 30 19:45:16 EDT 2020
Hi Myron, no meeting, the link did not work, when i put in the meeting id ,
knowing happened
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:41 PM Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm at gmail.com> wrote:
> My apologies. I fell asleep on the couch and now am unable to join the
> zoom meeting tonight
> Regrets, Myron Steinman
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:01 PM Peter Croves <petercroves at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> is meeting on?. i go to the link and nothing happens and i go to zoom,
>> there is no meeting listed
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:19 PM Peter Croves <petercroves at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> noted, i should be on hand for meeting
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Jennifer Ross <2jennross at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cathy. Meeting sounds great!
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, there's a Green debate at that time and I already said I
>>>> was going to it.
>>>>
>>>> Jenn
>>>> Bookkeeping Services
>>>> 519-501-2736
>>>> No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political
>>>> power in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime
>>>> Minister.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:11 PM Cathy Scott <cathy.scottfree at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, All,
>>>>> Next Thursday, July 30 is our next regular meeting. The link is
>>>>> below. Please note that the meeting will start at 7:00, which is our usual
>>>>> time. I scheduled the start time on Zoom for 6:30 so I can open the
>>>>> meeting a little early, so we don't miss anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion topic on the agenda is:
>>>>> 'Selecting replacement candidates when an elected member cannot fulfil
>>>>> his/her term'
>>>>> *Please advise of any other content for the agenda.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Also, here is my synopsis of the Zoom presentation (July 15th),
>>>>> called 'Catching the Deliberative Wave'. (I think others of our group also
>>>>> attended this), *
>>>>> * This was the launch of the OECD's report on 'Innovative Citizen
>>>>> Participation and New Democratic Institutions'. The report was a study of
>>>>> the use of deliberative processes (variously called, 'reference panels',
>>>>> 'citizens' assemblies', 'citizens' juries', 'planning cells') which have
>>>>> been used increasingly worldwide, since the 1980s, to engage citizens in
>>>>> developing informed recommendations on an issue, which governing
>>>>> authorities then use to develop policies. *
>>>>>
>>>>> *Claudian Chwalisz, one of the authors of the report, presented a
>>>>> summary of the report:*
>>>>>
>>>>> - *the deliberative process is commissioned by a public authority
>>>>> and the deliberating group is randomly selected, and demographically
>>>>> stratified by gender, age, geographic location, economic status, etc.,*
>>>>> - *the study included 289 cases of deliberative process worldwide,
>>>>> 40 of which were in Canada, at all levels of government*
>>>>> - *types of issues that were addressed included values-driven
>>>>> dilemnas, long-term problems, etc. See the graphic in the report, attached
>>>>> below.*
>>>>> - *criteria for a successful process included random/balanced
>>>>> selection of members of the group, sufficient time for the process, clear
>>>>> and specific definition of the issue, provision of comprehensive
>>>>> information to the group. THe report has a graphic which shows the
>>>>> complete criteria.*
>>>>> - *benefits of a deliberative process:*
>>>>> - *better policy outcomes*
>>>>> - *greater legitimacy - politicians can say their policies are
>>>>> based on citizens' informed judgements, rather than 'opinions' gathered
>>>>> through conventional means of gathering citizens' feedback, such as
>>>>> townhalls, surveys, etc.*
>>>>> - *enhances public trust*
>>>>> - *signals civic respect and empowers citizens*
>>>>> - *strengthens integrity of governing bodies*
>>>>> - *helps counteract polarization and disinformation*
>>>>> - *discussion of reasons and methods of embedding public
>>>>> deliberation as an institution, as has been done in some countries, such as
>>>>> France.*
>>>>> - *12 different models of deliberative processes are described in
>>>>> the report*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Claudia's summary was followed by a panel discussion by *
>>>>>
>>>>> - *Peter McLeod, from MASS LBP, an organization which designs and
>>>>> conducts deliberative processes for governing authorities, corporations,
>>>>> etc. He pointed out that 1400 Canadians have been involved in
>>>>> approximately 40 deliberative processes in Canada. Participants gain a
>>>>> better understanding of the complexity of an issue, and greater empathy for
>>>>> other points of view. Citizens have an opportunity to engage meaningfully
>>>>> in decision-making, promoting 'inclusive governance', in democracy . These
>>>>> opportunities improve citizens' 'democratic fitness', by sharing in the
>>>>> privilege to speak for others *
>>>>> - *Leslie Woo, from Metrolinx, the corporation that is planning
>>>>> and building transit expansion in the GTA and surrounding areas.
>>>>> Metrolinx has worked with MASS LBP to gather information from citizens, in
>>>>> order to plan for the transit needs in the GTA. She pointed out that the
>>>>> deliberative process concept needs champions who believe in that better
>>>>> policies result, and who are not afraid of the outcome of a deliberative
>>>>> process, who can let go of control of the outcome. *
>>>>> - *Karen Fuller, who is on the 'Open Government Team', which is
>>>>> the outreach and engagement team of the federal government. SHe pointed
>>>>> out that citizen deliberation is important to policy-makers who are looking
>>>>> for tools to help make complex decisions; that it is important
>>>>> that people believe in what the government is doing. Deliberative
>>>>> processes have not been widely used in government - somewhat by Health
>>>>> Canada. Her team's challenges are to promote this concept within the
>>>>> government, and to move the findings of the OECD report into government
>>>>> practice, by briefing senior management; justifying the concept of
>>>>> deliberative process, to garner support for implementing it. See chapter
>>>>> 3 of the report regarding increasing trends toward deliberative process,
>>>>> and chapter 5 regarding principles. She finds this information useful in
>>>>> briefing public servants, since they are inclined to want to ground things
>>>>> in tenets and principles.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *I am attaching the 'Highlights' of the OECD report - see below. (You
>>>>> can also see the whole report, by Googling 'United Nations Democracy Fund',
>>>>> but the whole report is 240 pages, or so, and the 'Highlights' document is
>>>>> about 48 pages, which is long enough for me!).*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the link to our meeting next Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Topic: monthly discussion group meeting
>>>>> Time: Jul 30, 2020 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>>>>
>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85093016919?pwd=S1JQcTVWYzZMMXVyS0xBaVlSbG5Bdz09
>>>>>
>>>>> Meeting ID: 850 9301 6919
>>>>> Passcode: 525312
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