Good point, Angela. Keeping the Council focus on education seems the wisest choice. Glad the discussion cleared it up.<br><br>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for your feedback, Steve. As a matter of fact, I have made a few presentations to local councils taking exactly the approach you suggested with some positive results. Specifically, we have two councils in our area that have circulated referendum information to their employees and the public. I am in the process of following up with the other councils to see if they will yet come on board with the cause of spreading information. Even if councils have not started disseminating information, no one has reacted badly to the presentations because they have been focused on the notion of the civic duty to inform the public, not a sales pitch for one side.
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</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Withers<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> July 31, 2007 11:08 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Jason Hammond
<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> FVC Waterloo Region Discussion<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Re: Waterloo FVC group</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All<br><br>The Vote for MMP Council looked at seeking Council endorsements. <br><br>They decided that asks to Councils would be best limited to aiding the information campaign and informing voters....rather than supporting MMP directly.
<br><br>The reasoning was this: <br><br>1. Don't ask for an endorsement UNLESS you have already canvassed all Councilors and KNOW you will have enough support to get it. <br><br>2. Getting these endorsements will take a lot of time probably best directed at recruiting volunteers and raising money. Ottawa spent WEEKS on this and was turned down.
<br><br>3. If we get a few endorsements it might get the anti-MMP folk who actually sit on many Councils to seek endorsements of FPTP....and we might lose that pissing contest. <br><br>Of course, you can do what you like.....but keep these issues clearly in view. The downside of failure is significant.
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 7/31/07, <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Jason Hammond</span></b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:ygcjason@gmail.com" target="_blank">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Have we considered approaching Councils for an endorsement of MMP? I would be happy to make (or be a part of) the presentations, having made delegations before, and knowing some of the folks around the horseshoe from my own Regional Councillor campaign last fall. If successful, I would approach the AMO (Association of Municipalities of Ontario) to expand this effort.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Peace,</span></font></p></div>
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 7/31/07, <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Derek Kraan</span></b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:derek.kraan@gmail.com" target="_blank">
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I should point out that the scope of our organization extends far beyond the University of Waterloo. Actually, I am now the only student on the executive. Our organization is responsible for the entire Waterloo Region, which includes Cambridge. Our intent in meeting with your group is to make sure we both know what the other group is doing so that we can avoid duplication of work. For instance, we plan to present to the Cambridge City Council, and have already made presentations to the township councils and Waterloo City Council. Regional Council is also in the works.
<br><br>We think it's great that a group has sprung up in Cambridge, but we really need to function as a single group to be effective. If we both show up at these council meetings, they're not going to know who's who and our message will not be as strong.
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2007/7/31, Alan Angold <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:AlanAngold@rogers.com" target="_blank">AlanAngold@rogers.com
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi Angela,<br><br> Donna has given her OK. I'll be going to the meeting myself and can take up to six other people in my van. Let me know if you'd like a ride and I can pick up the crowd at the university if that's convenient.
<br><br>Take care,<br>/Alan<br><br>PS. This is my second attempt at sending this message. Managed to send it to the "bounces" address by accident. Previous message was CC'ed to Donna Reid.<br><br>Angela Yenssen
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Thanks for your help, Alan. Please confirm with us that a member of the FVC Waterloo Region Chapter can attend the Aug. 13 <sup>th</sup> meeting of Donna's group.</span></font> </p>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">No objections. We are all on the same team and want to help as best we can. Please invite them to our August 13th mtg. at the Zehrs community room.
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hello all,<br><br> There is a Waterloo FVC group of students that recently mentioned Donna and this <br>group in their email messages. They seem to be interested in getting in touch. I though
<br>it would be a good idea to get them down to the next meeting. <br><br> I was also wanting to send some of our email their way (if they are willing as well) so <br>they could pick up on some of the good ideas developed here.
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