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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you for your feedback, Steve.
As a matter of fact, I have made a few presentations to local councils taking
exactly the approach you suggested with some positive results.
Specifically, we have two councils in our area that have circulated referendum
information to their employees and the public. I am in the process of
following up with the other councils to see if they will yet come on board with
the cause of spreading information. Even if councils have not started
disseminating information, no one has reacted badly to the presentations
because they have been focused on the notion of the civic duty to inform the
public, not a sales pitch for one side.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Angela Yenssen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org
[mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve Withers<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> July 31, 2007 11:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jason Hammond<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">FVC
Waterloo Region Discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Re:
Waterloo FVC group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>All<br>
<br>
The Vote for MMP Council looked at seeking Council endorsements. <br>
<br>
They decided that asks to Councils would be best limited to aiding the
information campaign and informing voters....rather than supporting MMP
directly. <br>
<br>
The reasoning was this: <br>
<br>
1. Don't ask for an endorsement UNLESS you have already canvassed all
Councilors and KNOW you will have enough support to get it. <br>
<br>
2. Getting these endorsements will take a lot of time probably best directed at
recruiting volunteers and raising money. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ottawa</st1:place></st1:City>
spent WEEKS on this and was turned down. <br>
<br>
3. If we get a few endorsements it might get the anti-MMP folk who actually sit
on many Councils to seek endorsements of FPTP....and we might lose that pissing
contest. <br>
<br>
Of course, you can do what you like.....but keep these issues clearly in view.
The downside of failure is significant. <br>
<br>
Steve <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 7/31/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Jason
Hammond</span></b> <<a href="mailto:ygcjason@gmail.com">ygcjason@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Derek,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> Have we considered approaching Councils for an endorsement of
MMP? I would be happy to make (or be a part of) the presentations, having
made delegations before, and knowing some of the folks around the horseshoe
from my own Regional Councillor campaign last fall. If successful, I
would approach the AMO (Association of Municipalities of Ontario) to expand
this effort. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Peace,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Jason Hammond<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 7/31/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Derek
Kraan</span></b> <<a href="mailto:derek.kraan@gmail.com" target="_blank">derek.kraan@gmail.com
</a>> wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I should point out that
the scope of our organization extends far beyond the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Waterloo</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>.
Actually, I am now the only student on the executive. Our organization is
responsible for the entire Waterloo Region, which includes <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:place></st1:City>. Our intent in meeting with your
group is to make sure we both know what the other group is doing so that we can
avoid duplication of work. For instance, we plan to present to the Cambridge
City Council, and have already made presentations to the township councils and
Waterloo City Council. Regional Council is also in the works. <br>
<br>
We think it's great that a group has sprung up in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:place></st1:City>, but we really need to function as
a single group to be effective. If we both show up at these council meetings,
they're not going to know who's who and our message will not be as strong. <br>
<br>
Derek<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>2007/7/31, Alan Angold <<a
href="mailto:AlanAngold@rogers.com" target="_blank">AlanAngold@rogers.com</a>>:</span></font></span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Angela,<br>
<br>
Donna has given her OK. I'll be going to the meeting
myself and can take up to six other people in my van. Let me know if
you'd like a ride and I can pick up the crowd at the university if that's
convenient. <br>
<br>
Take care,<br>
/Alan<br>
<br>
PS. This is my second attempt at sending this message. Managed to send it
to the "bounces" address by accident. Previous message was
CC'ed to Donna Reid.<br>
<br>
Angela Yenssen <a href="mailto:ayenssen@rogers.com" target="_blank"><ayenssen@rogers.com></a>
wrote:<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your help, Alan. Please confirm
with us that a member of the FVC Waterloo Region Chapter can attend the Aug. 13
<sup>th</sup> meeting of Donna's group.</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> <br>
</span></font>Donna Reid wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>No objections. We are all on the same team and want to help
as best we can. Please invite them to our August 13th mtg. at the Zehrs
community room.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Donna</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:AlanAngold@rogers.com" target="_blank"
title="AlanAngold@rogers.com">Alan Angold</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:donna-reid@sympatico.ca" target="_blank"
title="donna-reid@sympatico.ca">Donna Reid</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Tuesday, July 31,
2007 12:13 AM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Waterloo</st1:place></st1:City> FVC group<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello all,<br>
<br>
There is a Waterloo FVC group of students that recently
mentioned Donna and this <br>
group in their email messages. They seem to be interested in getting in
touch. I though<br>
it would be a good idea to get them down to the next meeting. <br>
<br>
I was also wanting to send some of our email their way (if
they are willing as well) so <br>
they could pick up on some of the good ideas developed here.<br>
<br>
What do people think of these two ideas? Are
there any objections to either? <br>
<br>
/Alan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Alan Angold <a href="mailto:AlanAngold@rogers.com" target="_blank"><o:p></o:p></a></span></font></pre><pre><span
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-- <br>
Jason Hammond<br>
Male Co-Chair, Young Greens of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
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Steve Withers<br>
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Ph: +1-416-644-1034 (option3)<br>
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