<p dir="ltr">The book The Spirit Level: Why equality is better for everyone, will be the subject of a presentation Mon night Oct 29 at First United Church (King & Wm). Starting at 7 pm. Put on by local KAIROS group. </p>
<p dir="ltr">(KAIROS is - not - going away! <br>
Bev Oda is.)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Eleanor Grant<br></p>
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1. Questions (Anita)<br>
2. Re: Questions (Matt Foster)<br>
3. Re: Questions (Anita Nickerson)<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:33:23 -0400<br>Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions<br><u></u>
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<div><font face="Arial">I have two questions I'm wondering if anyone can
answer.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection between
income inequality and voting systems? The Lipjhart study made a weak
connection suggesting less inequality in PR countries, but that was
before much of Europe collapsed in the recession. If their level of income
inequality is worse now, that would defeat the case. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection between trade
deals and voting systems? I read a very alarming book by David Orchard called
the Fight for Canada about the free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how
Canada gives away control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to
whomever) whereas other countries take steps to protect their industries and
resources when it benefits their country to do so. I wonder if there is any
connection between these types of decisions and voting systems. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Anita</font></div></div>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 16:27:10 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions<br>
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video - <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html</a><br>
info on book the spirit level -
<a href="http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level" target="_blank">http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level</a><br>
author <br>
<span></span><span><a href="mailto:kate.pickett@york.ac.uk" target="_blank">kate.pickett@york.ac.uk </a><br>
phone 01904 32(1377)<br>
</span>notes from Wikipedia etc. <br>
<span><b>Recent News</b>: Shortlisted with her
co-author, Wilkinson RG, for "Research Project of the Year" in the
Times Higher Education Awards 2009 for her research and
publication: The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost
Always Do Better.<br>
He is best known for his book with Kate Pickett The Spirit Level,
first published in 2009, which claims that societies with more
equal distribution of incomes have better health, fewer social
problems such as violence, drug abuse, teenage births, mental
illness, obesity, and others, and are more cohesive than ones in
which the gap between the rich and poor is greater.<br>
<br>
Hi Anita,<br>
Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson wrote a great book on why
countries with greater equality do better. I wrote to Wilkinson
saying that he needed a graph that shows equality/inequality as it
relates to the electoral system. <br>
He sent me a paper by someone in Brazil who had done such a
comparison but I cant find it. If you get the book from the
library you can pretty much do it yourself as it is so obvious
except for Portugal which is the odd ball.<br>
Why don't you try writing or phoning Ms Pickett? I cannot find the
address for Wilkinson anywhere.<br>
If you want to contact David Orchard try here
<a href="mailto:davidorchard@sasktel.net" target="_blank"><davidorchard@sasktel.net></a> or David Orchard
<a href="mailto:ccaftnat@sasktel.net" target="_blank"><ccaftnat@sasktel.net></a><br>
or call him at <a href="tel:%28306%29%20997-4981" value="+13069974981" target="_blank">(306) 997-4981</a> (Bordon Saskatchewan) <br>
Ed Broadbent is also very knowledgeable on this topic as I recall
him speaking on it.<br>
Cheers </span><br>
<span>Matt Foster -
stop stop stop "Society Thrives On Participation"
see - <a href="http://stopstopstop.org" target="_blank">http://stopstopstop.org</a><br>
<br>
</span>
<div>On 27/10/2012 3:33 PM, Anita wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><font face="Arial">I have two questions I'm
wondering if anyone can answer.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection
between income inequality and voting systems? The Lipjhart
study made a weak connection suggesting less inequality in PR
countries, but that was before much of Europe collapsed in the
recession. If their level of income inequality is worse now,
that would defeat the case. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection
between trade deals and voting systems? I read a very alarming
book by David Orchard called the Fight for Canada about the
free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how Canada gives away
control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to
whomever) whereas other countries take steps to protect their
industries and resources when it benefits their country to do
so. I wonder if there is any connection between these types of
decisions and voting systems. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Anita</font></div>
<br>
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Cc: <br>Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:51:36 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Questions<br>Thanks Matt. I will contact Kate. You know one of my things is to tie the need for PR into issues people who don't know much about electoral reform care about. Any claims we make for PR other than you get what you voted for have to be well researched. It would make an interesting event topic.<div>
<br></div><div>Anita<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Matt Foster <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:world@golden.net" target="_blank">world@golden.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
video - <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html</a><br>
info on book the spirit level -
<a href="http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level" target="_blank">http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/resource/the-spirit-level</a><br>
author <br>
<span></span><span><a href="mailto:kate.pickett@york.ac.uk" target="_blank">kate.pickett@york.ac.uk </a><br>
phone 01904 32(1377)<br>
</span>notes from Wikipedia etc. <br>
<span><b>Recent News</b>: Shortlisted with her
co-author, Wilkinson RG, for "Research Project of the Year" in the
Times Higher Education Awards 2009 for her research and
publication: The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost
Always Do Better.<br>
He is best known for his book with Kate Pickett The Spirit Level,
first published in 2009, which claims that societies with more
equal distribution of incomes have better health, fewer social
problems such as violence, drug abuse, teenage births, mental
illness, obesity, and others, and are more cohesive than ones in
which the gap between the rich and poor is greater.<br>
<br>
Hi Anita,<br>
Kate Pickett and Richard Wilkinson wrote a great book on why
countries with greater equality do better. I wrote to Wilkinson
saying that he needed a graph that shows equality/inequality as it
relates to the electoral system. <br>
He sent me a paper by someone in Brazil who had done such a
comparison but I cant find it. If you get the book from the
library you can pretty much do it yourself as it is so obvious
except for Portugal which is the odd ball.<br>
Why don't you try writing or phoning Ms Pickett? I cannot find the
address for Wilkinson anywhere.<br>
If you want to contact David Orchard try here
<a href="mailto:davidorchard@sasktel.net" target="_blank"><davidorchard@sasktel.net></a> or David Orchard
<a href="mailto:ccaftnat@sasktel.net" target="_blank"><ccaftnat@sasktel.net></a><br>
or call him at <a href="tel:%28306%29%20997-4981" value="+13069974981" target="_blank">(306) 997-4981</a> (Bordon Saskatchewan) <br>
Ed Broadbent is also very knowledgeable on this topic as I recall
him speaking on it.<br>
Cheers </span><br>
<span>Matt Foster -
stop stop stop "Society Thrives On Participation"
see - <a href="http://stopstopstop.org" target="_blank">http://stopstopstop.org</a><br>
<br>
</span><div><div>
<div>On 27/10/2012 3:33 PM, Anita wrote:<br>
</div>
</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>
<div><font face="Arial">I have two questions I'm
wondering if anyone can answer.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection
between income inequality and voting systems? The Lipjhart
study made a weak connection suggesting less inequality in PR
countries, but that was before much of Europe collapsed in the
recession. If their level of income inequality is worse now,
that would defeat the case. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Is there a researched connection
between trade deals and voting systems? I read a very alarming
book by David Orchard called the Fight for Canada about the
free trade agreement. I'm always hearing how Canada gives away
control of this and that (pretty much sells the country to
whomever) whereas other countries take steps to protect their
industries and resources when it benefits their country to do
so. I wonder if there is any connection between these types of
decisions and voting systems. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Anita</font></div>
<br>
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