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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Monsef's visit would coincide with a
Liberal MP Town Hall? A Liberal Cabinet Minister attending a
Liberal MP's town hall is news? More like partisan PR of the
other kind, "Public Relations." Or Vanity press. The stuff of
tweets and selfies. <br>
<br>
Waterloo Region went from 100% Conservative MPs to 80% Liberal/20%
Conservative, making it the poster child example of policy lurch.
The 39% of citizens who supported the Conservatives in 2011 are
suddenly without representation after a decade. Their party is
telling them the Liberals are not to be trusted, and the
Minister's partisan visit is hardly going to demonstrate anything
different. Certainly this visit is unlikley to reach out to most
of the currently disenfranchised here. What such a visit does is
send the very clear message to the locally disenfranchised-- that
the LPC is only interested in talking to its friends about
electoral reform. How many Conservative ordinary people are
likely to show up in a forest of Liberals? I expect it would be
lucky to get the Conservatives who have been attending FairVoteWRC
events over the last decade. <br>
<br>
I can see why your party might not want the Committee to come
before an informed and engaged community. But Fair Vote WRC ought
to be fighting like mad to get the committee here.<br>
<br>
Perhaps you forget this hotbed of electoral reformers could only
partially fill the Kitchener City Hall gallery. We may be loud,
but we are not many. THIS is grass roots. Citizens. Ordinary
people, not professionals. Grass roots. Multipartisan ordinary
people. These are people the Committee -- and the public -- need
to hear from.<br>
<br>
Yes, it would be nice to have the Minister drop by. But it is no
substitute for having the Committee here. <br>
<br>
Because the Committee *is* multipartisan. THAT is the point of
them taking the dog & pony show on the road: to reach out to
<b> all</b> citizens, not just those in the ruling party. I
understand Liberal "natural ruling party" conceit flows into
thinking they represent everybody but they don't, no more than the
Conservatives did. <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Laurel<br>
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On 08/03/2016 06:49 PM, Jennifer Ross wrote:<br>
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<div>Sorry, Laurel you misunderstand. We are likely the last
place the committee will want to stop at as we are an informed
and engaged community on this subject. They are going after
those who know nothing. That said, I definitely hope our
informed and engaged community send in lots of dialogue
reports because of course our voice is just as important--you
just don't need the pull and educational component to receive
our voice.<br>
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Monsef would be attending the Liberal MPs Town Hall, in the
hopes of getting those we aren't directly communicating with, to
come out through the NEWS it would be.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Laurel
L. Russwurm <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>I disagree. I expect Bob & I were the only
people paying attention to the Harper Government
Copyright Consultation. To me, that is the gold
standard of consultations. They had online stuff but
they also did a physical cross Canada dog & pony
show. <br>
<br>
If the ERRE public dog & pony was coming here it
would be NEWS. <br>
<br>
Not only that it would be a sure thing, unlike your
"promised/threatened/dangled" Ministerial visit. What
happens if the Minister says, "I'll be there this
afternoon at 1pm tomorrow and I can give you 15
minutes. <br>
(Which may be overly generous as lately I've heard of
consultations where people are allowed all of 3 minutes
to speak).<br>
<br>
Even if there is enough notice to round up people, the
Minister coming here for a private audience would be
virtually invisible. <br>
Even a public whistlestop a would rate a photo op. If
we're really really lucky it might rate a sound bite on
the local news.<br>
<br>
Waterloo Region is a hotbed of electoral reformers.
This is EXACTLY the kind of place the committee SHOULD
come, because it can hear from a bunch of ordinary
people<br>
<br>
As to where they *are* going: talk about
disproportionality.<br>
<br>
Ontario, the province with the largest population gets
all of 1 committee visit when the smaller Québec gets
3. <br>
<br>
Not fair.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Laurel
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On 08/03/2016 03:50 PM, Jennifer Ross wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Not at all. The committee stuff goes
to her. We skip a step.<br>
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3:48 PM, Laurel L. Russwurm <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Maryam Monsef herself but no
committee?? That SUCKS. It is not the
same thing at all.<br>
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regards,<br>
steamed Laurel
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On 08/03/2016 03:43 PM, Jennifer Ross
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<div dir="ltr">I believe that is
because Maryam Monsef is going to do
Waterloo Region herself. Or so we
keep being
promised/threatened/dangled with.<br>
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3, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Laurel L.
Russwurm <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div>It certainly looks as
though the ERRE Committee
will NOT be stopping in
Waterloo Region:<br>
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<div><span>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">It was
agreed, — That, in
relation to the
study of viable
alternate voting
systems, mandatory
voting and online
voting, the
following travel
budgets be adopted:</p>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">• Regina
(SK), St-Pierre
Jolys (MB), Winnipeg
(MB), Toronto (ON),
Québec (QC), and
Joliette (QC): $
137,111.80</p>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">•
Whitehorse (YT),
Victoria (BC),
Vancouver (BC),
LeDuc (AB),
Yellowknife(NT): $
162,667.05</p>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">• Montréal
(QC), St. John’s
(NL), Halifax (NS),
Charlottetown (PE),
Fredericton (NB) $
130,711.80</p>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">• Iqaluit
((NU) $ 109 517.50.</p>
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<div><span>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">It was
agreed, — That,
should the Board of
Internal Economy
adopt these budgets,
the Analysts and the
Clerks, in
consultation with
the Chair, prepare a
news release for
publication on the
Committee’s website,
announcing the
cities that will be
visited.</p>
</span></div>
<div><span>
<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">It was
agreed, — That, the
Committee hire two
(2) research
assistants for the
period of June 21 to
December 1, 2016,
for a total amount
not to exceed $
58,300.00.</p>
</span></div>
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<p style="margin:0px
0px 10px">It was
agreed, — That, a
proposed budget in
the amount of $
80,250.00 for the
study of electoral
reform be adopted.</p>
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If they were stopping once
in each province &
territory it would be
different, but the 17 stops
include<br>
<br>
3 in Quebec<br>
2 in Manitoba<br>
<br>
but only ONE in Ontario. <br>
<br>
What now?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Laurel
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On 08/01/2016 10:34 PM,
Sharon Sommerville
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello
FairVoting Friends,
<div><br>
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<div>The Electoral
Reform Committee
wants to hear from
Canadians, we have
an amazing
opportunity to let
our government know
that we want PR and
why.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>COMMUNITY
DIALOGUES</div>
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<div>The Electoral
Reform Committee is
asking Canadians to
participate in
community dialogues
and submit reports
to them on what is
important in an
electoral system and
why.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Starting on
Tuesday, August 9th
and every Tuesday at
6:30 from till
October we will be
at the Queen Street
Commons (43 Queen
Street South) in
Kitchener to
facilitate
conversations about
electoral reform.
We will talk
together, record the
conversation and
submit it to the
government. Join us
for a coffee and a
chat. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>PR IN THE
BACKYARD</div>
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<div>On Friday, August
12th at 7 pm join
Catherine Fife, MPP
for Waterloo to
learn more about PR.
There will be a
presentation,
comments from
Catherine,
discussion groups
and a Q & A.
Learn, discuss and
debate in a
pleasant, informal
backyard setting.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hope to see you
soon!,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Sharon</div>
<div>for FVC-WR</div>
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