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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anita,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did not say ‘give up’. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just be prepared for the disappointment that the dream probably will not be realized – based on all of the statements by</span> <span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Minister Monsef, PM Trudeau and now the Liberal committee members.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know Bardish personally. Not trustworthy from my experiences with her.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I’m not wasting my time writing to her.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Recently, I tried to contact her about another issue through her constituency office by phone and by email. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No response from her. And a ‘slack’ one from one her university placement students.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> fvc-wat-disc [mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anita Nickerson<br><b>Sent:</b> December-01-16 10:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> FVC Waterloo Region Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thinkers.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>John,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>I've been told "stop dreaming, it's not going to happen" for 8 years. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Also, there are no shortage of people who helpfully can't wait to say "I told you so".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>This has always been a long shot - how realistic it looks depends on the day.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Everyone has to make their own determination about when to give up. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Anita<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:33 PM, John Cooper <<a href="mailto:johnco@golden.net" target="_blank">johnco@golden.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This shows once again that the NDP is willing to compromise on some matters in order to obtain the end goal. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If they had not, the media, The Green party, FVC etc and all of the NDP enemies would have criticized them forever.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Liberals will not compromise. And based on everything that has been written in the numerous reports I have read tonight and for many months – </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Trudeau, the Liberal party and the Liberal government will not support PR. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Liberals are known for being able to ‘suck and blow' at the same time and for not keeping promises – just as the Minister said about making election promises and not keeping them.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Even the cynical public will say that they know all parties don’t intend to keep promises. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for a referendum: the winner will be the group with the most money to advertise their position.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And you can bet that the Liberals will not support an electronic vote so that all possible voters will have an equal opportunity – and the younger voters, a motivation to vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Despite being a ‘darling’ to the under 40’s, and supposedly keen on using new technology, he knows that this demographic elected him and expect him to honour his promise. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Without PR, he does not need their vote next election to win because they will not vote. They will be disenchanted.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Writing a letter to Waterloo MP Bardish Chagger will not make any difference. She obtained her cabinet position by supporting Trudeau.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>She will not go against him, the party and the government because otherwise she will lose her role. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stop dreaming! It’s not going to happen!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> fvc-wat-disc [mailto:<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sharon Sommerville<br><b>Sent:</b> December-01-16 9:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> FVC Waterloo Region Discussion<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Hi Sean,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>The "politics" comment is in part because clearly there was horse trading. The NDP who have never supported a referendum moved their position to accept a referendum to get a consensus. Bringing forward a consensus report was critical to keeping the initiative alive. It could well be that horse trading was necessary because the Liberals were not supporting PR. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>And, that doesn't mean we are going to get a referendum. On a good day, I think the post card campaign is an opportunity to illustrate that there isn't a need for a referendum. At this point the cabinet can do what it wishes. The weather vane can point in whichever direction the cabinet wants it to point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Minister Monsef has a knack for getting herself into political hot water. I agree that her comments in the House today were very insulting and ill advised. Good chance that Minister Monsef will be shuffled out of that portfolio at the first available opportunity. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>Sharon<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'>On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:36 PM, <a href="mailto:haberlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">haberlin@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:haberlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">haberlin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Sharon,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Given the dismissive conduct of the Minister Monsef plus the Liberals members of the ERRE focusing on the Gallagher formula, I would say the referendum compromise is not politics. Rather, it is the Liberal party saying NO to proportional representation. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> All that the Liberal members had to do is support PR and the referendum option would have been another example of Conservation voter suppression.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <b>From:</b> fvc-wat-disc [mailto:<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sharon Sommerville<br><b>Sent:</b> December 1, 2016 6:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thinkers.org</a>; <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [fvc-wat-disc] The ERRE Report Recommends PR & A Referendum</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> Hello FairVoting Friends,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> Today the ERRE committee tabled its report to Parliament.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The committee recommended proportional representation! And, as this is politics, the committee also recommended a referendum.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> Enormous thanks to the ERRE committee for their hard work & commitment on behalf of all of us as they tabled a majority report. Given the numerous perspectives around the table, that wasn't an easy task. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> Now, the report will go to Cabinet. The Cabinet will make the final decision on what electoral reform will look like and we can expect legislation to be introduced in Parliament in the spring. Until then, let's keep the pressure up on our MPs and our government. If we want a fair electoral system, we need to speak up and speak out. Write letters to the editor of the Record, the Post, the Chronicle, call, email or meet with your MP, talk to friends, neighbours and family, use social media to get out the message. We would be happy to give a presentation on electoral systems to any group. Just ask.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> We have an amazing opportunity to finally get a fair electoral system! Let's work together and make it happen!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> With thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Sharon</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>for FVC-WR</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> PS.,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Here is the link to the report.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> <a href="http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8655791" target="_blank">http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=e&Mode=1&Parl=42&Ses=1&DocId=8655791</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:72.0pt'><span lang=EN-US> </span>_______________________________________________<br>This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br>Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:108.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br>Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>