<div dir="ltr">I was puzzled ... NOW I'm thoroughly confused<div><br></div><div>the minister chastises the committee under her own jurisdiction ... </div><div><br></div><div>her government got elected partly on a promise to consult on everything, a new style of governing ... that's what a committee is for ... it consulted and reported its findings and recommendations </div><div><br></div><div>I can understand the Party's reasons for not wanting PR now; that is,disagreeing with the result</div><div><br></div><div>BUT what you say publicly is a big thank you and we'll take the recommendations under consideration</div><div><br></div><div>Berating the committee in Parliament just announces that </div><div><br></div><div>(a) we didn't really want to consult </div><div>(b) we wanted our sham consultation to agree with us </div><div>(c) it didn't ... damn those little !@#$%^&* committee members!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 December 2016 at 08:03, Jon Bathmaker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon.bathmaker@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.bathmaker@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>S'truth Jenn. <br>
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<p>This is precisely why Big Tent parties are problematic. Which of
course leads to internal contradictions such as one faction of the
Libs being big on the climate and native rights, both of which
have to be sacrificed if you want to support the Alberta
Oil/pipeline Bidniz. You vote for them and then the 99 internal
groups in the "big tent" fight it out for whose position gets
implemented.</p>
<p>OTOH, if we put up a ton of pressure/demonstrations/<wbr>actions then
the climate/native faction will have a lot of ammo to fire at the
tar sands/Alberta faction. And we can just sit back and watch the
knives come out. :-)<br>
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Jon<br>
<u></u><u></u><b>The Climate is no longer just a Crisis . .
. it's a
FREAKING EMERGENCY</b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>You couldn't plan anything to make your own party look this
bad if you tried.<br>
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Platform promises are just a means of engagement? A public,
written mandate letter that DOESN'T say what you, the author,
says it says? The only ones not on board are the ones that
campaigned to get elected on it? A party that prides itself on
evidence-based decision making (also, that was a campaign
promise but they mean nothing now) making fun of MATH? How
shall they ever defend Climate Change is a thing if math is off
the table? Or unmuzzling scientists? Kind of hard to be both
unmuzzled and unable to use math in your scientific arguments.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Eleanor
Grant <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eleanor7000@gmail.com" target="_blank">eleanor7000@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">What a day!</p>
<p dir="ltr">The 333-page report from ERRE came out around
noon Dec 1: <a href="https://t.co/3dXxV2FMLi" target="_blank">https://t.co/3dXxV2FMLi</a></p>
<p dir="ltr">The key pages are: <br>
- 95, where PR is clearly recommended (tho in kind of
obscure terminology),<br>
- 319 (in which govt response is urged), and <br>
- 321 to the end: the "Supplemental Reports" by Lib
members of ERRE and NDP & Green members.</p>
<p dir="ltr">It feels (to me anyway) like a team of horses
pulling in opposite directions. The Liberal mbrs' report
denies that a consensus on PR was reached, that Cdns were
engaged, and that there is enough time to put a new system
in place and familiarize the population with the issues by
2019.</p>
<p dir="ltr">All afternoon, in the House and in media
scrums, Minister Monsef repeated the same
misrepresentations, in the very same words - plus
insulting the committee and claiming they hadn't carried
out their mandate. (Their mandate never had been to call
for a specific voting system.)</p>
<p dir="ltr">So a day of elation mixed with shock that the
governing party would twist themselves into such pretzels
to deny the obvious and doable recommendation of the
committee.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Anyone else get the feeling that this was
planned all along, from the day they agreed to add members
to ERRE to make it proportional? Cdns have been taken for
a big ride.</p>
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