<div dir="ltr">Because their main issue is not PR. They're a long term organization who have many issues.<br><br>Before the election I tried very hard to get them to incorporate a candidate's position on PR into their decision whether to endorse or not. <br><br>They chose to endorse the only Liberal candidate in Canada who outright told us he's support PR never. And others who didn't support PR. <br><br>I understand the only goal then was to get rid of Harper. <br><br>But I cannot see Leadnow organizing 3 years ahead of an election to have people sign a pledge saying they'll only vote NDP or Green. Even those on the Vote Better segment of their list. <br><br>What if it looks like O'Leary's going to come up the middle? You think we won't be "voting together" even reluctantly again in some way? You think they want to burn their bridges now with the governing MPs (and alienate their Liberal supporters) by basically saying they're an NDP/Green front based on one issue, when there are SO many other issues they need to be able to influence the Liberal government on over the next three years.<div><br></div><div>I don't see any org running this kind of campaign 3 years ahead of an election. I think it would have to be grassroots. </div><div><br></div><div>But ask your contacts in Leadnow - you're not the only one with that idea. </div><div><br></div><div>Anita</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Jon Bathmaker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon.bathmaker@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.bathmaker@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>Why do you think that Leadnow will not support having people sign
the I won't vote etc. pledge? <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<br>
Jon<br>
</font></span></p><div><div class="h5">
<div class="m_-3028667845246007941moz-cite-prefix">On 2/3/2017 5:31 PM, Anita Nickerson
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">What would be most effective is two things:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>a) having as many people sign an "I will not vote for you
again because you broke your electoral reform promise" pledge
as signed the vote together pledge<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>b) media at his office embarrassing him with that as I
outlined below, so more and more people find out about it</div>
<div><br>
These kinds of partisan activities probably cannot be done by
FVC is the problem, Leadnow is not going to do it, and without
the mailing lists to do it, it is difficult. But not
impossible. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anita</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Jon
Bathmaker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon.bathmaker@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.bathmaker@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p><span>> I know this is not positive but the
Liberals need to own this. <br>
</span> The only world that is positive all the time is
the one inhabited by Mary Poppins. Since I don't live
in that world I'm fine with it. <br>
</p>
<p>I remember Raj coming to a little gathering in a pub
for the Leadnow types who had helped him get elected.
He was late but he had clearly made a largish effort to
get there and was very grateful for the Leadnow crew's
efforts on his behalf. That lasted about a week. <br>
</p>
<p>I think we should stop playing nice with these turds.
I think we should just visit Bardish and Bryan and
Marwan and Raj and deal the cards straight off the top
of the deck. OK Mr/Ms. MP, you don't want to play with
us anymore after we got you elected to implement PR? No
problem, we're not going to get mad, we're going get
even by organizing like crazy and handing you your ass
in 19 (Kiss the pension goodbye!) Now go and tell
*that* to Prime Minister Pretty Boy. <br>
</p>
<p>Regards,<br>
Jon<br>
</p>
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<div class="m_-3028667845246007941h5">
<div class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975moz-cite-prefix">On
2/3/2017 4:24 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I would like to let you know that my
Liberal tuque has arrived.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am interested in a march to Raj Saini's
office carrying a coffin symbolizing the Death
of Liberal Promise on Electoral Reform. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would have to be at a time when he is
there so he can come out and explain why the
Prime Minister now says that the promise he and
every one of his MPs used to get elected is
"wrong" and several other lies. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The best thing would be if some media were
there, or we can send them pictures and quotes
afterward. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know this is not positive but the Liberals
need to own this. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Every MP needs to own this and to know that
nobody buys their lame excuses.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Every MP especially needs to know that their
crass calculations on this one were wrong, and
the very people who helped elect them may now
help un-elect them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would also like to deliver Raj the tuke. I
wouldn't want his ears to get cold.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Of course saner voices are welcome to propose
more constructive action.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anita</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at
12:59 PM, Donald Fraser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com" target="_blank">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">thanks, Cathe</div>
<div class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975HOEnZb">
<div class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975h5">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 February
2017 at 12:47, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cdcampbell9@gmail.com" target="_blank">cdcampbell9@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial">
<div>Great letter, Don. It was
clear and readable. </div>
<p>Sent from my BlackBerry 10
smartphone.</p>
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<div><b>From: </b>Donald
Fraser</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Friday,
February 3, 2017 12:16
PM</div>
<div><b>To: </b>FVC
Waterloo Region
Discussion</div>
<div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC
Waterloo Region
Discussion</div>
<div><b>Subject: </b>Re:
[fvc-wat-disc] Letters
to the Editor Needed</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
I'll pick the negative one
... just love a scrap ...
so here's my response
<div><br>
</div>
<div>==============================<wbr>========================</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear
Editor,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<h1 style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span>Re:</span><span>
</span><u><span>The
political fallout
of breaking a
promise</span></u><span>
by Joanna
Smith_Feb3_2017<span></span></span></h1>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Ms
Smith asks, “<span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">But
what of the majority
of Canadians? Do
they care? Does it
matter?” in
reference to
Electoral Reform
(ER). <span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">It matters. In our system of First Past the
Post (FPTP), votes
cast for a Green
candidate, for
example, who loses
are useless. The
Planet-caring,
environmentally
conscious,
politically aware
voters in the
particular riding
have no say in </span><span><span><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">Ottawa</span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">.
A certain percentage
of all Canadians
want Green
objectives to be
part of the laws of
</span><span><span><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">Canada</span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">.
<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">It matters because these environmentalists
should have their
say in the structure
of government. In a
proportional system,
for instance, every
vote counts to
obtain the same
percentage of seats
for a party as the
party received in
the national vote
count. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">It matters because they may not vote in the
next election,
knowing that their
votes won’t count.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">I matters because, due to discouragement,
they may cease to
engage in the
political discussion
and the environment
will suffer for it.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">Later Smith states, “Then there is a much
larger group that
knows little and
cares less about ER”
in reference to the
Canadian electorate
at large.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">“… knows little and cares less … “ is simply
cause and effect.
Unfortunately, it is
difficult to excite
the electorate about
ER possibilities
when they “know
little”. Attempts to
educate the public
about ER are
generally regarded
as “election
activity” which
annoys citizens
between elections.
To be fair there is
a small percentage
which does respond
with enthusiasm.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172gmail-printable-text" style="margin:0in 0in 7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span style="color:rgb(90,90,90)">New Zealand (NZ) solved the problem by
having a trial run
at Mixed Member PR
(MMPR) for four
terms. The
electorate was
educated by
experience and when
consulted after the
trial, voted for
MMPR over the former
FPTP system. Their
experience
demonstrates that an
educated public will
choose a
proportional
alternative to our
antiquated and
unfair FPTP which
wastes the votes of
any citizen whose
local candidate did
not win in their
riding.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:7.5pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"><span>Germany</span>
has practiced MMPR
since WW2. The
resulting stable form
of coalition
government has allowed
Germans to become the
master long term
planners we recognize
them for. They avoid
the 'Policy Pendulum'
in which false
majority governments
cancel, at great
expense to the
taxpayer, the projects
of the preceding
government. Rather
each new government
improves and supports
policies of the
previous government.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yours
Truly,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Donald
A Fraser,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>184
Forsyth Drive</span>,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>Waterloo</span>,
<span>Ontario</span></span>,<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">N2L-1A2<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:%28519%29%20576-9210" value="+15195769210" target="_blank">519-576-9210</a><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
2 February 2017 at
23:02, Sharon
Sommerville <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com" target="_blank">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hello <span id="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172m_-8079304990863333784:2do.1">FairVoting</span>
Friends,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Two great
articles in
today's Record for
us to respond to:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://www" target="_blank">http://www</a>.<span id="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172m_-8079304990863333784:2do.2">therecord</span>.com/news-<wbr>story/7100196-the-political-fa<wbr>llout-of-breaking-a-promise/<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://www" target="_blank">http://www</a>.<span id="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172m_-8079304990863333784:2do.3">therecord</span>.com/opini<wbr>on-story/7098054-d-<span id="m_-3028667845246007941m_-6382797040648805975m_-4290871242710319875m_5460229236373923172m_-8079304990863333784:2do.4">amato</span>-broke<wbr>n-promise-may-haunt-liberals/<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We should
capitalize on
these articles
with letters to
the editor. A
couple of letters
in response to
each letter would
be wonderful. Any
number would be
great.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Have sent the
request out to our
larger discussion
list as some new
names would be
helpful!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me know if
you can take
either of these
on.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With thanks,</div>
<div>Sharon</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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