<html><head></head><body lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Thanks Anita for passing on the postcard idea. </div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Looks good. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Handy too as no postage is needed to mail to your MP or the PM, or any other gov't member. Right? <span style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"> </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I also like the hat idea (eg: Real Betrayal) as they can be effective worn to any public event involving Liberals. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Is that idea going anywhere? </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I'd pay for a ball cap stating that, as it would be worn all year round, and likely easier to read than on a touque. (Look what Trump was able to accomplish with his "make America great again" hats. )</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Best regards. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Stu. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Anita Nickerson</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, February 4, 2017 6:00 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor Needed</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div dir="ltr">I particularly like this postcard. I know lots of groups are doing them. It seems to me you could do it in black and white and put your Liberal MP's face as a small square in the corner. <div><br></div><div>Anita<br><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_15a0b5986f4826cd" alt="Inline image 2" width="343" height="472"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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</span>Hi Stuart: Thanx for the encouraging words.<br>
<br>
As a Green, I have no illusions about our chances of gaining a seat in<br>
Waterloo Region in the next election. If any local Greens *are*<br>
elected, it will likely be as a third-place opposition party, and<br>
that's where we will work with the other parties to achieve Electoral<br>
Reform.<br>
<br>
If, by some fluke, the Greens were to win a majority position in<br>
Parliament (or the provincial Legislature) I can only hope that I<br>
don't succumb to the ravages of the power-mad, and have the integrity<br>
to follow through with changing the very system that elected us in the<br>
first place. We can see how that conviction and integrity is lacking<br>
in the current government.<br>
<br>
I joined the Greens, and not the Liberals or the NDP, for that very<br>
reason.<br>
<br>
- --Bob.<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 2017-02-04 08:51 AM, STUART CHANDLER wrote:<br>
> Thanks Bob. I greatly value your perspective.<br>
><br>
> I followed you all the way dow to your last sentence.<br>
><br>
> Then found myself wondering how the Greens, if they (miraculously)<br>
> came to power after campaigning on implementing PR, would fail<br>
> then to have the courage to implement it.<br>
><br>
> Unlike the Liberals, who like to see themselves as "the Natural<br>
> Ruling Party" in Canada, surely they would not believe they had<br>
> enough political capital to get away with going back on such a<br>
> key promise and still retain their seats.<br>
><br>
> In my view, the Liberals are banking on 4 things: 1) Canadians<br>
> still being traumatized by what Harper did to this Country 2)<br>
> still being taken-in by Trudeau's good looks and seemingly affable<br>
> personality, and still willing to give him a chance 3) the lack of<br>
> any real sign of an equally charismatic leader emerging in the<br>
> other 2 main parties 4) the political capital of the Liberal<br>
> Party.<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, an amazing country like Canada is sadly lacking in<br>
> the political leadership department. (Part of the legacy of our<br>
> FPTP system!)<br>
><br>
> Well, at least one Liberal MP has had the courage and integrity to<br>
> apologize for his party's reversal on E. R.<br>
><br>
> Still in the fight. Stu.<br>
><br>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.<br>
>> Original Message From: Bob Jonkman Sent: Saturday, February 4,<br>
2017 2:19 AM<br>
> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion Reply To: FVC Waterloo Region<br>
> Discussion Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Letters to the Editor<br>
> Needed<br>
><br>
</div></div><span class="">> Donald Fraser wrote:<br>
>> However, down the road, electing an NDP government will<br>
>> automatically get us MMPR<br>
><br>
> In all the provinces in which the NDP has formed government, they<br>
> have never acted to implement any kind of electoral reform,<br>
> especially not Proportional Representation.<br>
><br>
> And although it is ostensibly part of their policy, neither<br>
> Electoral Reform nor Proportional Representation was on the NDP<br>
> election platform for the 2015 election. There was no mention of<br>
> ER/PR on the NDP website during the election, and questions about<br>
> its absence went unanswered by the NDP candidates or the<br>
> webmaster.<br>
><br>
>> I think that the Green Party would be OK with such an effort as<br>
>> they would benefit perhaps the most from MMPR.<br>
><br>
> The Green Party will be happy to cooperate with other parties in<br>
> implementing Electoral Reform and Proportional Representation.<br>
> However, don't expect that Green candidates will step aside;<br>
> instead, Green candidates will campaign vigorously to get<br>
> Canadians the representation in Parliament they vote for.<br>
><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> --Bob.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2017-02-03 11:08 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:<br>
>> I understand Anita's point that it is too early to start election<br>
>> plans<br>
><br>
>> However, down the road, electing an NDP government will<br>
>> automatically get us MMPR<br>
><br>
>> I think that the Green Party would be OK with such an effort as<br>
>> they would benefit perhaps the most from MMPR.<br>
><br>
>> I have to say that the Liberals are being pummeled from all sides<br>
>> now. They knew they were going to pay a huge price for this<br>
>> decision. For that reason, I highly doubt they will reverse same<br>
>> ... reversing now probably wouldn't do them much good; that is,<br>
>> it wouldn't repair the damage they have already suffered.<br>
><br>
>> But I'm always game to show my displeasure in one way or the<br>
>> other.<br>
><br>
>> However, apart from the odd demonstration, what are our long term<br>
>> possibilities as a group for the next 3 years?<br>
><br>
>> cheers, Don<br>
><br>
>> On 3 February 2017 at 22:52, Jon Bathmaker<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jon.bathmaker@gmail.com">jon.bathmaker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>>> I think we should choose the one that makes them look the<br>
>>> worst. With that criterion BETRAYAL seems to be the winner.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best, Jon<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2/3/2017 10:45 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Which do you like better for the hat?<br>
>>><br>
>>> REAL LIES or REAL BETRAYAL<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Sharon Sommerville <<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hello All,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We are going to have to do a lot of writing in the coming<br>
>>>> weeks. Please remember that you don't have to write the<br>
>>>> letters, another person can write if you can submit or you<br>
>>>> can write a letter and have someone else submit it. We need<br>
>>>> writers and submitters.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks to Donald for an excellent response to Ms. Smith's<br>
>>>> article. We need one more. Can someone volunteer to write and<br>
>>>> or submit a response to Ms. Smith's article? It would need<br>
>>>> to be submitted by Sunday evening<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We need a supportive letter for Luisa's article. Is there<br>
>>>> someone who can write/submit it. This one should be easy.<br>
>>>> Again, it should be in by Sunday pm.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We need at least two responses to today's editorial. One<br>
>>>> should be from FVC-WR which I can draft and send round to our<br>
>>>> bd. members so we need one more. Any takers? Again, you can<br>
>>>> write but not submit or offer to submit but not write.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A march to Raj's office from KCH would be doable. Someone<br>
>>>> could book an appointment with him (underhanded yes, but the<br>
>>>> gloves are off) and we could arrive with the toque which has<br>
>>>> been modified to read: REAL LIES or REAL BETRAYAL (that's<br>
>>>> still the plan, isn't it?). I have a pair of Liberal socks<br>
>>>> which I no longer need. Gummie rats (sealed in plastic about<br>
>>>> 3oz.) can be purchased on line. I was thinking of sending one<br>
>>>> of the pair to Trudeau filled with gummie rats, be happy to<br>
>>>> make up another one to give to Raj.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Here are the rats:<br>
>>>> <a href="https://www.jellybelly.com/gummi-pet-rat/p/5148" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.jellybelly.com/<wbr>gummi-pet-rat/p/5148</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Personally not in favour of the coffin as it has been used to<br>
>>>> death (!) for all kinds of causes but lots of signs, and a<br>
>>>> media alert and facebooking etc. Plus it would be fun.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Happy to start up a "I will not vote for you again" petition<br>
>>>> at all our upcoming events, give a focus to our summer<br>
>>>> festival tables.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And, my home will be open for a meeting this Monday at 7 pm<br>
>>>> for anyone who wants to come to plan the next few months.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Onward! Sharon<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:34 PM, arthurd23 arthurd23<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:arthurd23@bell.net">arthurd23@bell.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Lots of letters to the editor in The Star and Globe.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> There was also a consensus with almost all of them<br>
>>>>> castigating Trudeau.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> One opposing view - The Record editorial. Surprise!!!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Do we have some letters being sent to The Record?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Dave A<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Donald Fraser<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>> Date: February 3, 2017 at 12:15<br>
>>>>> PM<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'll pick the negative one ... just love a scrap ... so<br>
>>>>> here's my response<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ==============================<wbr>========================<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Dear Editor,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Re: The political fallout of breaking a promise by Joanna<br>
>>>>> Smith_Feb3_2017<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ms Smith asks, “But what of the majority of Canadians? Do<br>
>>>>> they care? Does it matter?” in reference to Electoral<br>
>>>>> Reform (ER).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It matters. In our system of First Past the Post (FPTP),<br>
>>>>> votes cast for a Green candidate, for example, who loses<br>
>>>>> are useless. The Planet-caring, environmentally conscious,<br>
>>>>> politically aware voters in the particular riding have no<br>
>>>>> say in Ottawa. A certain percentage of all Canadians want<br>
>>>>> Green objectives to be part of the laws of Canada.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It matters because these environmentalists should have<br>
>>>>> their say in the structure of government. In a<br>
>>>>> proportional system, for instance, every vote counts to<br>
>>>>> obtain the same percentage of seats for a party as the<br>
>>>>> party received in the national vote count.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It matters because they may not vote in the next election,<br>
>>>>> knowing that their votes won’t count.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I matters because, due to discouragement, they may cease to<br>
>>>>> engage in the political discussion and the environment<br>
>>>>> will suffer for it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Later Smith states, “Then there is a much larger group that<br>
>>>>> knows little and cares less about ER” in reference to the<br>
>>>>> Canadian electorate at large.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> “... knows little and cares less ... “ is simply cause and<br>
>>>>> effect. Unfortunately, it is difficult to excite the<br>
>>>>> electorate about ER possibilities when they “know little”.<br>
>>>>> Attempts to educate the public about ER are generally<br>
>>>>> regarded as “election activity” which annoys citizens<br>
>>>>> between elections. To be fair there is a small percentage<br>
>>>>> which does respond with enthusiasm.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> New Zealand (NZ) solved the problem by having a trial run<br>
>>>>> at Mixed Member PR (MMPR) for four terms. The electorate<br>
>>>>> was educated by experience and when consulted after the<br>
>>>>> trial, voted for MMPR over the former FPTP system. Their<br>
>>>>> experience demonstrates that an educated public will choose<br>
>>>>> a proportional alternative to our antiquated and unfair<br>
>>>>> FPTP which wastes the votes of any citizen whose local<br>
>>>>> candidate did not win in their riding.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Germany has practiced MMPR since WW2. The resulting stable<br>
>>>>> form of coalition government has allowed Germans to become<br>
>>>>> the master long term planners we recognize them for. They<br>
>>>>> avoid the 'Policy Pendulum' in which false majority<br>
>>>>> governments cancel, at great expense to the taxpayer, the<br>
>>>>> projects of the preceding government. Rather each new<br>
>>>>> government improves and supports policies of the previous<br>
>>>>> government.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Yours Truly,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Donald A Fraser,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 184 Forsyth Drive,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Waterloo, Ontario,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> N2L-1A2<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> 519-576-9210 <%28519%29%20576-9210><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 2 February 2017 at 23:02, Sharon Sommerville <<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hello FairVoting Friends,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Two great articles in today's Record for us to respond to:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www</a>. <a href="http://therecord.com/news-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">therecord.com/news-</a><br>
>>>>> story/7100196-the-political-<br>
>>>>> fallout-of-breaking-a-promise/<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www</a>. <a href="http://therecord.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">therecord.com/</a> opinion-story/7098054-d- amato-<br>
>>>>> broken-promise-may-haunt- liberals/<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> We should capitalize on these articles with letters to the<br>
>>>>> editor. A couple of letters in response to each letter<br>
>>>>> would be wonderful. Any number would be great.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Have sent the request out to our larger discussion list as<br>
>>>>> some new names would be helpful!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Let me know if you can take either of these on.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> With thanks, Sharon<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
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