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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Jennifer Ross <<a href="mailto:2jennross@gmail.com">2jennross@gmail.com</a>><br>To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 21:57:45 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] number of wasted votes<br><div dir="ltr">Eleanor, this might be it, attached.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Eleanor Grant <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eleanor7000@gmail.com" target="_blank">eleanor7000@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Reply to Jon B:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There 's a list like the one I sent, that Fair Vote quotes often. I need to know where it's found.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Eleanor </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 Feb 2017 19:57, <<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc-request@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc-request@listserv<wbr>.thinkers.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send fvc-wat-disc mailing list submissions to<br>
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2. Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform (Les Kadar)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Jon Bathmaker <<a href="mailto:jon.bathmaker@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.bathmaker@gmail.com</a>><br>To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinker<wbr>s.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:36:52 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Number of wasted votes 2015?<br>
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<p>Finding the number of effective votes is simple but a lot of
work. <br>
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<p>Elections Canada has the data here:
<a class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_6437017631015720209moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://elections.ca/res/rep/off/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html" target="_blank">http://elections.ca/res/rep/of<wbr>f/ovr2015app/41/table12E.html</a><br>
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<p>Find the # of votes cast for the second place finisher in each
riding +1 and sum them all up. That's the number of votes that
actually elected the MPs i.e. Effective Votes. <br>
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<p>Total Votes = Effective Votes + Wasted Votes <br>
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<p>In Waterloo Region for example there were 59,849 votes cast, the
second place guy got 19,318 so it took 19,319 votes to elect the
winner. The other 40,530 votes had no effect on the outcome and
were thus not effective votes. Do this another 329 times and
you have the data for the effective votes. The eligible voters
and votes cast should be on the web somewhere. <br>
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Best,<br>
Jon Bathmaker<br>
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<div class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_6437017631015720209moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2017 5:21 PM, Eleanor Grant
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<div dir="auto">Hey Fair Voters,
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<div dir="auto">I am looking for the list of figures from 2015
election saying something like:</div>
<div dir="auto">Pop of Cda - 35 mil</div>
<div dir="auto">Eligible voters - 23 mil</div>
<div dir="auto">Votes cast - 16 mil</div>
<div dir="auto">Effective votes - 7 mil</div>
<div dir="auto">Wasted votes - 9 mil</div>
<div dir="auto">I guesstimated these.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Where can I find this info with correct numbers?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Eleanor </div>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Les Kadar <<a href="mailto:leskadar@rogers.com" target="_blank">leskadar@rogers.com</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thi<wbr>nkers.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinker<wbr>s.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:57:08 -0500<br>Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Fwd: Govt abandons vote reform<br><div dir="auto"><div>Sharron had asked if I receive a response from Bryan May on my condemnation of the Liberal decision.</div><div id="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524AppleMailSignature">Please see the platform patented response below.</div><div id="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524AppleMailSignature">I don't buy it.<br><br><div><br></div><div>Les Kadar</div>iPad email</div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> <<a href="mailto:Bryan.May@parl.gc.ca" target="_blank">Bryan.May@parl.gc.ca</a>><br><b>Date:</b> February 9, 2017 at 3:20:02 PM EST<br><b>To:</b> <<a href="mailto:leskadar@rogers.com" target="_blank">leskadar@rogers.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>RE: Govt abandons vote reform</b><br><br></div></blockquote><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Les,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your email regarding the Prime Minister’s decision to not change our current voting system.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you are aware, the government has been consulting with Canadians over the course of the last year on how to approach electoral reform. Using town halls, an online survey, and the Electoral Reform (ERRE) committee, our current system
was reviewed, and options for moving forward have been carefully considered. In Cambridge, MP May received hundreds of emails and phone calls from constituents over the last year, and he was pleased to host a town hall meeting in Kitchener with other regional
MPs on this topic.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MP May has written commentary about this decision and <a href="http://bryanmaymp.ca/" target="_blank">
posted it on our website</a>. I’ve taken the liberty of including these comments below.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to reach out to me. If you would be interested in speaking with MP May to discuss this personally, please let me know and I would be happy to set up a call.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your email,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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</b><span>Member’s Assistant<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span>Office of Bryan May | Member of Parliament for Cambridge<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The Valour Building, Room 910<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Tel. <a href="tel:(613)%20996-1307" value="+16139961307" target="_blank">(613) 996 – 1307</a><br>
Fax: <a href="tel:(613)%20996-8340" value="+16139968340" target="_blank">(613) 996 – 8340</a><br>
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</span><a href="mailto:bryan.may@parl.gc.ca" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">bryan.may@parl.gc.ca</span></a><i><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">“Dear Neighbours,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">It’s my great pleasure and pride to serve as your Member of Parliament.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">Electoral reform is an important topic, and our government has consulted widely on this issue, hearing from almost 400,000 Canadians. In Cambridge, I’ve talked with hundreds of constituents,
and I want to thank you for sharing your opinions and ideas.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">These consultations involved listening to the ideas, concerns and information presented across the country. The Electoral Reform (ERRE) Committee undertook a major study to review our system
and look at options for moving forward, hundreds of thousands participated in an online survey, and tens of thousands of Canadians were engaged in local community events. I, along with the other Waterloo Region MPs, hosted an electoral reform town hall which
brought out more than 250 people, including the Minister.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">After the surveys were completed, the ERRE report tabled, and Canadians were widely consulted, two things became clear: first, that there is no clear consensus on a mandate for change. Canadians
were broadly divided on this issue. Second, there is no clear preferred voting system that emerged as an alternate option. A referendum on the topic would be unhelpful without a specific alternative option to vote for. Many individuals broadly support a system
of proportional representation, but no consensus exists on a specific type of proportional system.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">We listened to people, learned what experts have to say, reached out to families, and understood how changes could influence all of us. However, believing in public consultation means that you
have to actually listen to what people are saying.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">The government, in consultation, has decided that we will not be moving forward with plans to change our electoral system. The next election will be held using the First-Past-the-Post voting
system.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">I know that there are strong cases both for and against making significant changes, and the government recognizes both sides of the argument. There simply is no consensus in Cambridge or across
Canada at this time. Even if you strongly disagree with this decision, I don’t believe anyone will disagree that there are valid concerns with all sides of this argument.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">I want to sincerely thank the people who have contributed to this discussion. The individuals who called or emailed my office, on both sides of this issue, those who came out to the electoral
reform town-halls, and people who offered up opinions and ideas when I met them in our community – thank you.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">Regardless of your circumstances, political affiliations, or beliefs, I’m here to help you with the federal issues that matter to you. Please contact my office if you have any questions or concerns.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="line-height:150%"><span style="color:#58595b" lang="EN">Bryan May, MP”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Les Kadar [<a href="mailto:leskadar@rogers.com" target="_blank">mailto:leskadar@rogers.com</a>] <br>
Sent: February 1, 2017 6:57 PM<br>
To: May, Bryan - M.P.<br>
Subject: Govt abandons vote reform</span></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText">Unacceptable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText">It was a key pillar in my support for the party.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText">Les Kadar<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-1927620198822245128m_5085079578544989149m_-6465231001883479524MsoPlainText">iPad email<u></u><u></u></p>
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