<div dir="ltr">well done, Martha</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2017 at 22:15, STUART CHANDLER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuchandler43@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuchandler43@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Martha. <br>
Great to hear your points & experience with Bardish. <br>
I can appreciate that you'd be frustrated with someone claiming commitment to electoral reform, yet not pursuing it " for the greater good" of all Canadians. I'm certain that anyone so committed would in fact be convinced that the greater good of all would be served by proceding with ER.<br>
As it was she who called you, she'd make sur she had all her rhetoric in order before picking up the phone. Hard to deal with that level of preperation. <br>
Nice work. And thanks again. <br>
Best regards. <br>
Stu.<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take action where appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)<br>
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Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral reform. A lot of what she was saying was basically talking points, i.e., we need to govern for all Canadians, not just people like you & me who are knowledgeable. Well, yes, but if you see a problem with a lack of knowledge, perhaps the government should launch an education campaign? She claims that's what the new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical about, but since I haven't read the bill, I wasn't able to speak to the point. I did mention the new Local PR initiative taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the phone, but which turns up with a quick Google search. She said she would look into it, and just in case she gets stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm helpful like that.<br>
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I'm concerned because she says that many constituents approached her after the town halls, saying that they had felt that FVC folks were very dismissive of opinions that run counter to ours, and that instead of being brought in to the conversation, they felt driven away. Assuming that she's not making this up, perhaps this is something we could work on, to be more welcoming and information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of us have been working on this for years and years, and it can be easy to get impatient with people who are just hearing about PR for the first time, especially if they don't see the light right out of the gate.<br>
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She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll, and while most people they talked to advocated reform, once they asked people what system they preferred, FPTP came out the winner. I asked her if this survey and its results were public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual questions that were asked, but she dodged that one.<br>
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She also had the nerve to champion the <a href="http://mydemocracy.ca" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mydemocracy.ca</a> survey. I may be reading more into her explanation than she intended, but what I heard was that they deliberately didn't ask any questions related to electoral reform because people aren't educated. I tried to explain to her that that was BS because they could have constructed questions that addressed PR without using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her guns that what they really cared about was people's values (and "hard working people everywhere").<br>
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So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted several times that she herself was committed to electoral reform but now that they're governing for all Canadians they need to set personal preferences aside in favour of the greater good yada yada yada. I *am* impressed, because this is the first time in my 40-odd years that my MP has chosen to call me to address issues that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well with a polite written PFO.<br>
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Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Martha<br>
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> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far<br>
> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I have<br>
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>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far<br>
>> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I have<br>
>> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)<br>
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>> cheers,<br>
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>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ... social events ... so far<br>
>> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go better with PR". (I have<br>
>> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of ammunition there!)<br>
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