<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" lang="en-US" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Thanks so much, Laurel. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">These videos are dy-no-mite!</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">To see Chagger repeat, over, and over again her commitment to ER, and making every vote equal, and effective. And promise legislation within 18 months.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I'm thinking that, particularly considering the importance of her position, there may be something to be gained if some of her constituents put her on notice that they possess the videos, and will use them extensively in 2019 to unseat her. If she was led to believe the threat was serious enough (eg: "We have formed a group, and are building a fund to pay for the anti-Chagger, anti-liar campaign. We promise that 2015 will be the last time you get elected!"), AND THAT HER ONLY WAY OUT<span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"></span><span style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"> would be to get ER back on the Liberal agenda (along with an apology stating that there was more support for ER than they thought), it might be enough to motivate her. It can be added that we (it'd be good to come up with a catchy name for the group, partly so it is not conflated with Fair Vote) are working on supporting similar groups in other ridings. (in fact, it would be good to indicate that this idea came from another group in another Liberal-held riding)</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Without such serious pressure tactics, I don't think there's a chance Cheers. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Stu. </div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">PS: I'm just sending this to 3 of you to make sure of no leaks. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Laurel L. Russwurm</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:03 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Liberals on PR ~ Bardish Chagger & Raj Saini</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Videos can only go viral if people
share them. <br>
<br>
Bardish has not done what she personally promised re PR, not even
close. Raj either. And we have video on both you can watch
before talking to your MP.<br>
<br>
I've just posted another soundbite from the 2015 All Candidates
Meeting (1 minute video)<br>
<br>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Roboto, arial,
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255); display: inline !important; float: none;">PR4Canada:
Bardish Chagger ~ Representation</span><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEsxsekJ6I">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEsxsekJ6I</a><br>
<br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Roboto, arial,
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); display: inline !important; float: none;"><span class="Apple-converted-space">Bardish Chagger: 4 Questions</span></span><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUOn9pi5Lc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUOn9pi5Lc</a><br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Roboto, arial,
sans-serif; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(246, 246,
246); display: inline !important; float: none;">Bardish Chagger:
an Electoral System based on the Principle of Fairness</span>
(just under 5 minutes)
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<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE6lyNJrl6U&t=5s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE6lyNJrl6U&t=5s</a> There's also
<br>
<br>
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<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Roboto, arial,
sans-serif; font-size: 20px; font-style: normal;
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255); display: inline !important; float: none;">Raj Saini on
Proportional Representation</span><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAUTMXRPnc&t=449s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAUTMXRPnc&t=449s</a><br>
<br>
The video from the three FVC All Candidates meetings all the
candidates expressed support for PR, all were on the same side.
(Probably part of why there were no such events in Cambridge or
Kit-SH><br>
<br>
Bardish talks about how interested people were at the door, how
crowded in the event. <br>
Bardish and Raj both talk about the consultation, how it should be
done. They did not do it that way. <br>
<br>
Every LPC MP in WR was asked to make sure the ERRE Committee came
here. It did not.<br>
<br>
Monsef did, and all 4 LPC MPs used that as their consultation. It
should have been as well as, not instead of. <br>
<br>
There was little or no advertising done for Monsef, all the dates
were last minute, so people couldn't plan. <br>
<br>
The LPC did NOT do a good job of consulting. Every LPC MP needed
to host at LEAST one (better more) consultation events. <br>
<br>
Blaming the failure of the consultation on Canadians is bushwah.
<br>
<br>
Share the videos. They can still have PR in place in time if they
move fast. If not, it is important that people are informed
before the next election, and we really want them to remember
this, so share the videos :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Laurel<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/12/2017 10:21 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">well done, Martha</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 March 2017 at 22:15, STUART
CHANDLER <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stuchandler43@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuchandler43@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks
Martha. <br>
Great to hear your points & experience with Bardish. <br>
I can appreciate that you'd be frustrated with someone
claiming commitment to electoral reform, yet not pursuing it
" for the greater good" of all Canadians. I'm certain that
anyone so committed would in fact be convinced that the
greater good of all would be served by proceding with ER.<br>
As it was she who called you, she'd make sur she had all her
rhetoric in order before picking up the phone. Hard to deal
with that level of preperation. <br>
Nice work. And thanks again. <br>
Best regards. <br>
Stu.<br>
<br>
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Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] Phone convo with Bardish Chagger<br>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
I don't write in much here, just tend to lurk (and take
action where appropriate--e.g., pestering Bardish)<br>
<br>
Bardish Chagger just called me to chat about electoral
reform. A lot of what she was saying was basically
talking points, i.e., we need to govern for all
Canadians, not just people like you & me who are
knowledgeable. Well, yes, but if you see a problem with
a lack of knowledge, perhaps the government should
launch an education campaign? She claims that's what the
new bill C33 does, which I was skeptical about, but
since I haven't read the bill, I wasn't able to speak to
the point. I did mention the new Local PR initiative
taking off in Guelph, whose name escaped me on the
phone, but which turns up with a quick Google search.
She said she would look into it, and just in case she
gets stuck, I'm about to send her a link. Because I'm
helpful like that.<br>
<br>
I'm concerned because she says that many constituents
approached her after the town halls, saying that they
had felt that FVC folks were very dismissive of opinions
that run counter to ours, and that instead of being
brought in to the conversation, they felt driven away.
Assuming that she's not making this up, perhaps this is
something we could work on, to be more welcoming and
information-dispensing, and a little less judgy. Many of
us have been working on this for years and years, and it
can be easy to get impatient with people who are just
hearing about PR for the first time, especially if they
don't see the light right out of the gate.<br>
<br>
She also claimed that the Liberals had conducted a poll,
and while most people they talked to advocated reform,
once they asked people what system they preferred, FPTP
came out the winner. I asked her if this survey and its
results were public, because I'd LOVE to see the actual
questions that were asked, but she dodged that one.<br>
<br>
She also had the nerve to champion the <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://mydemocracy.ca" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mydemocracy.ca</a>
survey. I may be reading more into her explanation than
she intended, but what I heard was that they
deliberately didn't ask any questions related to
electoral reform because people aren't educated. I tried
to explain to her that that was BS because they could
have constructed questions that addressed PR without
using any of the PR jargon, but she stuck to her guns
that what they really cared about was people's values
(and "hard working people everywhere").<br>
<br>
So, all in all, a little frustrating. She insisted
several times that she herself was committed to
electoral reform but now that they're governing for all
Canadians they need to set personal preferences aside in
favour of the greater good yada yada yada. I *am*
impressed, because this is the first time in my 40-odd
years that my MP has chosen to call me to address issues
that I've contacted them about. Usually, I'm doing well
with a polite written PFO.<br>
<br>
Y'all may be receiving your own phone calls soon.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Martha<br>
<br>
<br>
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> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.<wbr>thinkers.org</a>><br>
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> Subject: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring
Chagger-Tweet<br>
> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets ...
social events ... so far<br>
> nothing about which I could tell her "it would go
better with PR". (I have<br>
> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of
ammunition there!)<br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
> Don<br>
><br>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
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> To: FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.<wbr>thinkers.org</a>><br>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:58:48 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring
Chagger-Tweet<br>
> NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an
opportunity!<br>
><br>
> On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets
... social events ... so far<br>
>> nothing about which I could tell her "it would
go better with PR". (I have<br>
>> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of
ammunition there!)<br>
>><br>
>> cheers,<br>
>> Don<br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:13:02 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [fvc-wat-disc] been monitoring
Chagger-Tweet<br>
><br>
> Good work Don!<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Jon<br>
> On 3/11/2017 5:58 PM, Donald Fraser wrote:<br>
><br>
> NO sooner did I speak when she gave me an
opportunity!<br>
><br>
> On 11 March 2017 at 17:45, Donald Fraser <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> not much substance ... mostly meet & greets
... social events ... so far<br>
>> nothing about which I could tell her "it would
go better with PR". (I have<br>
>> a lot better luck with Trump-Tweet ... lots of
ammunition there!)<br>
>><br>
>> cheers,<br>
>> Don<br>
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