<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3222" dir="ltr" abp="1630"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3223" abp="1631">I think it might be worthy of discussion but one of the things I like to use as a criticism of the existing system is to liken it to the contrivances that exist in games. It's one thing to have such silliness in our entertainment and quite another to have it in how we hire people to such important positions of authority and responsibility.<br><br>Edward<br><br>P.S. If want a game that strongly resembles the existing electoral system, it's Hungry Hungry Hippos!</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3100" abp="1632"><br abp="1633"><br abp="1634"></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3140" style="display: block;" abp="1635"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3139" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" abp="1636"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3138" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" abp="1637"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3137" dir="ltr" abp="1638"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3136" face="Arial" size="2" abp="1639"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3237" abp="1640"> <b abp="1641"><span style="font-weight: bold;" abp="1642">From:</span></b> "daviddirks@rogers.com" <daviddirks@rogers.com><br abp="1643"> <b abp="1644"><span style="font-weight: bold;" abp="1645">To:</span></b> FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org> <br abp="1646"> <b abp="1647"><span style="font-weight: bold;" abp="1648">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:53 PM<br abp="1649"> <b abp="1650"><span style="font-weight: bold;" abp="1651">Subject:</span></b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Board Games Night for Electoral Reform?<br abp="1652"> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3224" abp="1653"><br abp="1654"><div id="yiv8470232643" abp="1655"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3226" abp="1656"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3225" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" abp="1657"><div id="yiv8470232643yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489948838594_4581" abp="1658">Sounds like it may be fun.</div><div id="yiv8470232643yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489948838594_4579" abp="1659"><br abp="1660"></div><div id="yiv8470232643yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489948838594_4580" abp="1661">David<br abp="1662"></div><div id="yiv8470232643yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489948838594_4578" abp="1663"><span abp="1664"></span></div> <div class="yiv8470232643qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1489953821384_3238" abp="1665"><br abp="1666"><br abp="1667"></div><div class="yiv8470232643yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;" abp="1668"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" abp="1669"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" abp="1670"> <div dir="ltr" abp="1671"><font face="Arial" size="2" abp="1672"> On Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:38 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman@sobac.com> wrote:<br abp="1673"></font></div> <br abp="1674"><br abp="1675"> <div class="yiv8470232643y_msg_container" abp="1676"><div dir="ltr" abp="1677">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br abp="1678"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1679">Hash: SHA1<br abp="1680"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1681"><br abp="1682"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1683">Board Games Nights appear to be popular[1]. But David R. MacIver<br abp="1684"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1685">argues that board games are in need of Electoral Reform:<br abp="1686"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1687"><br abp="1688"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1689"><a href="http://www.drmaciver.com/2017/03/an-untapped-family-of-board-game-mechanics/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1690">http://www.drmaciver.com/2017/03/an-untapped-family-of-board-game-mechanics/</a><br abp="1691"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1692"><br abp="1693"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1694">= An untapped family of board game mechanics =<br abp="1695"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1696"><br abp="1697"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1698">> Have you noticed how board games are in dire need of electoral<br abp="1699"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1700">> reform?<br abp="1701"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1702">> <br abp="1703"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1704">> No, wait, seriously. Hear me out. This makes sense.<br abp="1705"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1706">> <br abp="1707"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1708">> In most board games, through a series of events, you acquire points<br abp="1709"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1710">> (votes), where each point (vote) goes to at most one player, and<br abp="1711"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1712">> then at the end the person with the most points (votes) wins<br abp="1713"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1714">> outright, regardless of how narrow their margin is.<br abp="1715"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1716">> <br abp="1717"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1718">> It’s literally plurality voting, and it leads to a number of the<br abp="1719"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1720">> same problems.<br abp="1721"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1722"><br abp="1723"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1724"><br abp="1725"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1726">Who wants to hold another Discussion Night, with a Board Games theme<br abp="1727"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1728">where we re-work a game to have fair voting rules? Scrabble with<br abp="1729"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1730">multi-member winners? Monopoly with proportional results?<br abp="1731"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1732"><br abp="1733"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1734">This would be a great way to learn about some of the mechanics of<br abp="1735"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1736">different voting systems, although it probably won't do much to get<br abp="1737"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1738">the government to implement PR, which every day looks more like that<br abp="1739"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1740">game of betting on dice.<br abp="1741"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1742"><br abp="1743"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1744">- --Bob.<br abp="1745"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1746"><br abp="1747"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1748">[1]:<br abp="1749"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1750"><a href="http://kwpeace.ca/board-games-night-for-peace-and-nonviolence-wednesday-15-march-2017/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1751">http://kwpeace.ca/board-games-night-for-peace-and-nonviolence-wednesday-15-march-2017/</a><br abp="1752"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1753"><br abp="1754"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1755">- --<br abp="1756"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1757">Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1758" ymailto="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>> Phone: +1-519-635-9413<br abp="1759"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1760">SOBAC Microcomputer Services <a href="http://sobac.com/sobac/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1761">http://sobac.com/sobac/</a><br abp="1762"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1763">Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting<br abp="1764"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1765">GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA<br abp="1766"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1767"><br abp="1768"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1769"><br abp="1770"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1771"><br abp="1772"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1773">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br abp="1774"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1775">Version: GnuPG v2<br abp="1776"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1777">Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability<br abp="1778"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1779"><br abp="1780"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1781">iEYEARECAAYFAljNjFEACgkQuRKJsNLM5eosUACgv9g4IlI438RhaO/ryixczkdy<br abp="1782"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1783">Ej0An11M8yabjzvzDPFF3rj9qaW5d6qP<br abp="1784"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1785">=l+oT<br abp="1786"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1787">-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br abp="1788"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1789"><br abp="1790"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1791"><br abp="1792"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1793">_______________________________________________<br abp="1794"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1795">This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br abp="1796"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1797">Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1798" ymailto="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br abp="1799"></div><div dir="ltr" abp="1800">Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" abp="1801">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a><br abp="1802"></div><br abp="1803"><br abp="1804"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br abp="1805">This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br abp="1806">Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" abp="1807" ymailto="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a><br abp="1808">Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank" abp="1809">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a><br abp="1810"><br abp="1811"><br abp="1812"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>