<div dir="ltr"><div>Ahhh. My apologies, Dave, for thinking you sided with the opponents there.<br><br></div>For sure, that is exactly what we are up against. Hopefully, someone can make my fairly long justification of 'decided voters' into something much more concise which can be immediately given when someone suggests undecided means no.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Dave Arthur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arthurd23@bell.net" target="_blank">arthurd23@bell.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Let’s be clear.</div>
<div>I did some canvassing and I agree with Sharon that we got a clear majority
supporting the campaign and signing on.</div>
<div>I agree that being undecided does not mean no.</div>
<div>However, we also know that the government that wants any excuse to get away
from dealing with ER, will use the undecided as lack of consensus.</div>
<div>What happened in PEI when a lot of people didn’t vote?</div>
<div>What happened in BC when they couldn’t hit the government’s requirement of
60% to constitute approval of change?</div>
<div>I agree we should use the poll results and point out the yes and no
percentages as the real consensus among those who understand and care.</div>
<div>Those are the people who should be deciding our electoral system.</div>
<div>But will the MPs receiving the petitions see it that way?</div>
<div>Dave</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="2jennross@gmail.com">Jennifer Ross</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2017 8:27 AM</div><span class="">
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] FVC releases poll that confirms Cdns.
want PR</div></div></div>
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<div>See, this is alarming to me that you would think
that.<br><br></div>Unsure/don't know means some people do not have enough
knowledge to form an opinion on a complex subject. It also means some
people couldn't care less because they don't vote, and don't care "about
politics."<br><br></div>While I think it would be good if everyone felt the duty
to vote, I mean the duty to become informed and then vote. If you aren't
going to do that I'd rather you sat it out. So for the second group of
voters above, see ya.<br><br></div>But for the first group of voters--that's
where WE come in! By speaking factually at all times, by exposing the
myths they will hear from the other side, by pointing out the principles of
democracy which are ONLY served by PR, this is fertile ground for us. And
if we can't get to them all, they will remain unsure because this group of
voters will likely listen to both sides of an argument before making up their
minds.<br><br></div>What it ABSOLUTELY doesn't mean is that they vote no as a
percentage. Unsure does NOT equal no. Just like it doesn't equal
yes!<br><br></div>And all of THAT said, please, please do share the poll results
in full (the .pdf) when sharing one of these posters.<br></div>
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<div>When I looked at the results online, it was concerning that, when 67% of
people answered yes, it was 67% of decided voters, not 67% of those
polled.</div>
<div>If 30% were unsure and not then included in the graph, it really means
support could end up being just over 50%.</div>
<div>The government could then use that to say there was not enough declared
support.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="sharonsommerville@gmail.com">Sharon Sommerville</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 14, 2017 10:00 PM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [fvc-wat-disc] FVC releases poll that confirms Cdns. want
PR</div></span></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Good Evening <span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.10">FairVoting</span> Friends,
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<div>Last week <span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.11">FairVote</span> Canada
released the results of a poll done by Strategic Communications between April
22 - May 9th. 15, 806 people were surveyed in 20 Liberal <span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.12">ridings</span> and the results confirm that
there is a consensus in support of proportion representation.</div>
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<div>Closer to home, results from Kitchener Centre are clear; 82% of
respondents support proportional representation and 75% of respondents want
Raj <span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.14">Saini</span> to advocate for PR in
Parliament.</div>
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<div>Here is the report from Strategic Communications:</div>
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<div><b style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-FAMILY:georgia;LINE-HEIGHT:1.22em"><a style="LINE-HEIGHT:1.22em" href="http://www.fairvote.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Fair-Vote-Canada-IVR-May-10-2017-By-Question.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.<span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.15">fairvote</span>.ca/<span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.16">wp</span>-cont<wbr>ent/uploads/2017/05/Fair-Vote-<wbr>Canada-<span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.17">IVR</span>-May-10-2017-By-Ques<wbr>tion.<span id="m_-953015026190208135m_-3783451363750004928:1b3.18">pdf</span></a></b><br></div>
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<div>Can you help spread the word that Kitchener Centre wants electoral
reform? Two posters that can be used on social media are attached.</div>
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<div>On May 31st, Parliament will discuss and vote on an NDP motion to adopt
the recommendations of the electoral reform committee to move to a moderate
form of PR. Tomorrow we will email you about a campaign to tell
Liberal MPs to keep their promise on electoral reform and vote in favour of
the NDP motion. </div>
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<div>With thanks,</div>
<div>Sharon</div>
<div>FVC-WR</div>
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