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<DIV>I’ve mentioned to a number of people that, during our choir tour in Ireland
last summer, I asked our guides, who were pretty savvy, if most Irish voters
understood the mechanics of STV.</DIV>
<DIV>They said no. However, it is apparent that they still like the system and
probably wouldn’t want it changed.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=anitann88@gmail.com>Anita
Nickerson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org>FVC Waterloo Region
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Annual General Meeting: Wed, 21 June
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<DIV dir=ltr>In future, now that these exec positions are so popular :), we
could use the Opavote program to run the election like we do for our FVC council
election. Carshare uses STV, too - could ask them how they do it.
<BR><BR>Probably people would have to say in advance that they were running and
then people get an online link to vote. <BR><BR>But probably with a small group
(not that many ballots) there is a program easy enough that you could vote at
the meeting and someone could just plug in the rankings from the papers right
into the program.
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<DIV>I think it's actually pretty neat that people there could see the piles of
ballots being transferred. <BR><BR>It took me a long time to get interested in
PR-STV (now my favourite system:) because I thought it was too complicated to
explain. A simple demonstration like this makes all the difference and can
improve the confidence of volunteers in talking about PR.</DIV>
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<DIV>Anita</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Bob Jonkman <SPAN
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PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<BR>Hash: SHA1<BR><BR></SPAN>I was hoping no-one would
ask that :-) We shuffled the ballots<BR>before the first count,
hoping for a random distribution of votes;<BR>since Sharon's pile was built
randomly the second choices should have<BR>been distributed
randomly.<BR><BR>Yes, an arithmetical approach would have been ideal. And with
a large<BR>enough number of ballots, the results of a random selection of
7/9th<BR>of the ballots should closely approximate the arithmetical result.
But<BR>with only 11 ballots cast it is possible that selecting a
different<BR>set of 7 may have had different results.<BR><BR>It would have
been more significant if there were more nominees vying<BR>for a small number
of positions. As it turns out, even Shannon Adshade<BR>is happy with the
result, so I hope no-one contests the election results.<BR><BR>I did try to
explain the surplus vote selection to a couple of people<BR>who asked later in
the evening. With a larger attendance at the AGM<BR>there would also have been
questions about determining the quota ("Why<BR>not a Hare quota?", "Why not
use the 'ceiling((votes+1)/(seats+1))'<BR>Droop quota?"), and concerns about
adherence to Condorcet outcomes...<BR><BR>- --Bob<BR><SPAN><BR><BR>On
2017-06-28 04:30 PM, Jay Judkowitz wrote:<BR>> OK, I'll be that
guy...<BR>><BR>> How did you decide which 7 of 9 we're Sharon's extra
ballots?<BR>><BR>> In reality would you have counted all 9 2nd place
votes and<BR>> multiplied the totally by .78?<BR>><BR>> On Tue, Jun
27, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Bob Jonkman <<A>bjonkman@sobac.com</A>><BR>>
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<DIV class=h5>> Hi everyone: Kevin Smith hasn't yet released the minutes of
this<BR>> year's AGM, but I do want to announce that Cathy Scott has
been<BR>> newly elected to the Fair Vote Waterloo Executive as a<BR>>
Member-At-Large.<BR>><BR>> I want to thank Shannon Adshade, one of the
founders of Fair Vote<BR>> Waterloo, who has served on the Executive every
year since we<BR>> started in 2006! This year other commitments are keeping
Shannon<BR>> busy, so we're finally letting him off the
hook.<BR>><BR>> There were five Executive positions to be filled, and
six nominees.<BR>> This is the first time since 2006 that we had to
have an election<BR>> for the executive, so we held an election using
Single<BR>> Transferable Vote. Members at the AGM placed nominees' names on
the<BR>> ballot in order of preference, from 1 to 6. There were 12
ballots<BR>> cast, but as returning Co-chair I withheld my ballot, to be
used in<BR>> case of a tie. David Dolson and I were the "returning
officers" to<BR>> count the ballots.<BR>><BR>> How many votes would
it take to elect a nominee? We calculated the<BR>> "Droop Quota" --
the number of ballots cast divided by the<BR>>
number-of-positions-plus-one, rounded down to an integer, plus<BR>>
one[*].<BR>><BR>><BR>> Droop Quota = int(ballots / (positions+1))
+1<BR>><BR>> = int(11 / (5+1)) +1 = int(11 / 6) +1 = int(1.8) +1 =
2<BR>><BR>> We placed the ballots in piles based on the first choice of
each<BR>> ballot. Cathy Scott received two ballots, Sharon
Sommerville<BR>> received nine, so both get a position on the board. The
seven<BR>> surplus ballots for Sharon were then re-distributed based on
the<BR>> second choice on each ballot:<BR>><BR>> Kevin Smith: 2 Mo
Markham: 2 Donald Fraser: 2 Shannon Adshade: 1<BR>><BR>> So, our
2017-2018 Executive is elected! Sharon will resume the<BR>> position of
Co-Chair, and Kevin Smith resumes the position of<BR>> Secretary, both
two-year terms. Aden Seaman continues his second<BR>> year as Treasurer,
and I'm in the second year as Co-chair, with<BR>> Mo, Donald, and Cathy
serving one-year terms as Members-At-Large.<BR>><BR>> Thanks to all who
came out, and for the opportunity to "eat our own<BR>> dogfood" -- a
computer industry term for actually using the<BR>> things we build, or in
our case, using the principles we advocate.<BR>><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>> --Bob.<BR>><BR>><BR>> [*] Droop Quota: <A
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droop_quota" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<WBR>Droop_quota</A><BR>><BR>><BR>>
On 2017-06-18 11:09 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:<BR>>>>> Hi everyone:
Just a quick reminder of our AGM this<BR>>>>>
Wednesday.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> I'm making the reservation
at ERK Monday evening. The Egg<BR>>>>> Roll King Restaurant is a
small place; if you're coming<BR>>>>> please let us know by
registering at<BR>>>>> <A href="http://fairvotewrc.ca/?p=3834"
rel=noreferrer target=_blank>http://fairvotewrc.ca/?p=3834</A> (but nobody
will be turned away<BR>>>>> at the
door!)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> So far there has been one
advance nomination for the<BR>>>>> Executive; please let me know
if you'd like to nominate<BR>>>>> someone (or yourself).
Nominations will also take place at<BR>>>>> the meeting itself.
You can also let me know if you want to<BR>>>>> appoint a proxy
for your vote.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> * Nominated: Shannon
Adshade<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> See you
Wednesday!<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> --Bob Jonkman Co-Chair,
Fair Vote Waterloo<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
On 2017-06-08 11:16 AM, Bob Jonkman wrote:<BR>>>>>> Hi
everyone: Summer approaches, and it's time for the<BR>>>>>>
Annual General Meeting of the Fair Vote Canada
Waterloo<BR>>>>>> Region Chapter. Everyone is welcome to
attend, and paid-up<BR>>>>>> members can vote and run for a
position on the Executive<BR>>>>>>
Board.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> *What*:
Fair Vote Waterloo Annual General Meeting *When*:<BR>>>>>>
Wednesday, 21 June 2017 from 7:00pm to 9:00pm (6:00pm<BR>>>>>>
dinner) *Where*: Egg Roll King Restaurant *Location*:
85<BR>>>>>> Courtland Avenue East, Kitchener, Ontario
*Map*:<BR>>>>>> <A href="https://osm.org/go/ZXnwS2Cx--?m="
rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>https://osm.org/go/ZXnwS2Cx--?<WBR>m=</A><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
== Agenda ==<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 1) Review and
acceptance of minutes from 2016
AGM<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 2) Report from the Co-Chair
and Chapter Co-ordinator,<BR>>>>>> Sharon
Sommerville<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 3) Treasurer's
Report<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 4) Old business * Outreach
program * Letter Writing Team<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 4)
Election of Fair Vote Waterloo Executive Board * All<BR>>>>>>
paid-up members of Fair Vote Canada are eligible to
stand<BR>>>>>> for nomination; only paid-up members can vote.
Memberships<BR>>>>>> can be paid at the meeting ($25/year, $10
for first year)<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> * Proxy votes and
self-nominations are allowed. You can<BR>>>>>> nominate
yourself even if you can't come to the meeting.<BR>>>>>> E-mail
me if you can't come, but want to
run.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> * Three to Five members to be
elected; they will choose<BR>>>>>> amongst themselves which
positions to fill: ** Co-Chair (2<BR>>>>>> year term) **
Secretary (2 year term) ** 1 - 3 Members at<BR>>>>>> Large (1
year term) ** The second Co-Chair (Bob Jonkman)<BR>>>>>> and
Treasurer (Aden Seaman) will complete the second year<BR>>>>>>
of their two-year term. 5) New Business * Summer
Festivals<BR>>>>>> - volunteers
needed!<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 6)
Announcements<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 7)
Adjournment<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> 8)
Discussion<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> ==
Registration ==<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> Registration is
optional, but will help with the<BR>>>>>> reservation at the
restaurant.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> Register
at:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/event/fair-vote-waterloo-" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/<WBR>event/fair-vote-waterloo-</A><BR>>
annual-general-meeting-for-<WBR>2017/#registration<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
The AGM will start at 7:00pm, but please join us for<BR>>>>>>
dinner at 6:00pm -- ERK has a small kitchen, and good
food<BR>>>>>> takes time to
prepare.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>> --Bob
Jonkman <<A>bjonkman@sobac.com</A>> Co-Chair, Fair
Vote<BR>>>>>>
Waterloo<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
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