<div dir="ltr">In future, now that these exec positions are so popular :), we could use the Opavote program to run the election like we do for our FVC council election. Carshare uses STV, too - could ask them how they do it. <br><br>Probably people would have to say in advance that they were running and then people get an online link to vote. <br><br>But probably with a small group (not that many ballots) there is a program easy enough that you could vote at the meeting and someone could just plug in the rankings from the papers right into the program. <div><br></div><div>I think it's actually pretty neat that people there could see the piles of ballots being transferred. <br><br>It took me a long time to get interested in PR-STV (now my favourite system:) because I thought it was too complicated to explain. A simple demonstration like this makes all the difference and can improve the confidence of volunteers in talking about PR.</div><div><br></div><div>Anita</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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</span>I was hoping no-one would ask that :-) We shuffled the ballots<br>
before the first count, hoping for a random distribution of votes;<br>
since Sharon's pile was built randomly the second choices should have<br>
been distributed randomly.<br>
<br>
Yes, an arithmetical approach would have been ideal. And with a large<br>
enough number of ballots, the results of a random selection of 7/9th<br>
of the ballots should closely approximate the arithmetical result. But<br>
with only 11 ballots cast it is possible that selecting a different<br>
set of 7 may have had different results.<br>
<br>
It would have been more significant if there were more nominees vying<br>
for a small number of positions. As it turns out, even Shannon Adshade<br>
is happy with the result, so I hope no-one contests the election results.<br>
<br>
I did try to explain the surplus vote selection to a couple of people<br>
who asked later in the evening. With a larger attendance at the AGM<br>
there would also have been questions about determining the quota ("Why<br>
not a Hare quota?", "Why not use the 'ceiling((votes+1)/(seats+1))'<br>
Droop quota?"), and concerns about adherence to Condorcet outcomes...<br>
<br>
- --Bob<br>
<span class=""><br>
<br>
On 2017-06-28 04:30 PM, Jay Judkowitz wrote:<br>
> OK, I'll be that guy...<br>
><br>
> How did you decide which 7 of 9 we're Sharon's extra ballots?<br>
><br>
> In reality would you have counted all 9 2nd place votes and<br>
> multiplied the totally by .78?<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">> Hi everyone: Kevin Smith hasn't yet released the minutes of this<br>
> year's AGM, but I do want to announce that Cathy Scott has been<br>
> newly elected to the Fair Vote Waterloo Executive as a<br>
> Member-At-Large.<br>
><br>
> I want to thank Shannon Adshade, one of the founders of Fair Vote<br>
> Waterloo, who has served on the Executive every year since we<br>
> started in 2006! This year other commitments are keeping Shannon<br>
> busy, so we're finally letting him off the hook.<br>
><br>
> There were five Executive positions to be filled, and six nominees.<br>
> This is the first time since 2006 that we had to have an election<br>
> for the executive, so we held an election using Single<br>
> Transferable Vote. Members at the AGM placed nominees' names on the<br>
> ballot in order of preference, from 1 to 6. There were 12 ballots<br>
> cast, but as returning Co-chair I withheld my ballot, to be used in<br>
> case of a tie. David Dolson and I were the "returning officers" to<br>
> count the ballots.<br>
><br>
> How many votes would it take to elect a nominee? We calculated the<br>
> "Droop Quota" -- the number of ballots cast divided by the<br>
> number-of-positions-plus-one, rounded down to an integer, plus<br>
> one[*].<br>
><br>
><br>
> Droop Quota = int(ballots / (positions+1)) +1<br>
><br>
> = int(11 / (5+1)) +1 = int(11 / 6) +1 = int(1.8) +1 = 2<br>
><br>
> We placed the ballots in piles based on the first choice of each<br>
> ballot. Cathy Scott received two ballots, Sharon Sommerville<br>
> received nine, so both get a position on the board. The seven<br>
> surplus ballots for Sharon were then re-distributed based on the<br>
> second choice on each ballot:<br>
><br>
> Kevin Smith: 2 Mo Markham: 2 Donald Fraser: 2 Shannon Adshade: 1<br>
><br>
> So, our 2017-2018 Executive is elected! Sharon will resume the<br>
> position of Co-Chair, and Kevin Smith resumes the position of<br>
> Secretary, both two-year terms. Aden Seaman continues his second<br>
> year as Treasurer, and I'm in the second year as Co-chair, with<br>
> Mo, Donald, and Cathy serving one-year terms as Members-At-Large.<br>
><br>
> Thanks to all who came out, and for the opportunity to "eat our own<br>
> dogfood" -- a computer industry term for actually using the<br>
> things we build, or in our case, using the principles we advocate.<br>
><br>
</div></div><div><div class="h5">> --Bob.<br>
><br>
><br>
> [*] Droop Quota: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droop_quota" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Droop_quota</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2017-06-18 11:09 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi everyone: Just a quick reminder of our AGM this<br>
>>>> Wednesday.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm making the reservation at ERK Monday evening. The Egg<br>
>>>> Roll King Restaurant is a small place; if you're coming<br>
>>>> please let us know by registering at<br>
>>>> <a href="http://fairvotewrc.ca/?p=3834" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fairvotewrc.ca/?p=3834</a> (but nobody will be turned away<br>
>>>> at the door!)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So far there has been one advance nomination for the<br>
>>>> Executive; please let me know if you'd like to nominate<br>
>>>> someone (or yourself). Nominations will also take place at<br>
>>>> the meeting itself. You can also let me know if you want to<br>
>>>> appoint a proxy for your vote.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> * Nominated: Shannon Adshade<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> See you Wednesday!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --Bob Jonkman Co-Chair, Fair Vote Waterloo<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 2017-06-08 11:16 AM, Bob Jonkman wrote:<br>
>>>>> Hi everyone: Summer approaches, and it's time for the<br>
>>>>> Annual General Meeting of the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo<br>
>>>>> Region Chapter. Everyone is welcome to attend, and paid-up<br>
>>>>> members can vote and run for a position on the Executive<br>
>>>>> Board.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> *What*: Fair Vote Waterloo Annual General Meeting *When*:<br>
>>>>> Wednesday, 21 June 2017 from 7:00pm to 9:00pm (6:00pm<br>
>>>>> dinner) *Where*: Egg Roll King Restaurant *Location*: 85<br>
>>>>> Courtland Avenue East, Kitchener, Ontario *Map*:<br>
>>>>> <a href="https://osm.org/go/ZXnwS2Cx--?m=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://osm.org/go/ZXnwS2Cx--?<wbr>m=</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> == Agenda ==<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 1) Review and acceptance of minutes from 2016 AGM<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 2) Report from the Co-Chair and Chapter Co-ordinator,<br>
>>>>> Sharon Sommerville<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 3) Treasurer's Report<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 4) Old business * Outreach program * Letter Writing Team<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 4) Election of Fair Vote Waterloo Executive Board * All<br>
>>>>> paid-up members of Fair Vote Canada are eligible to stand<br>
>>>>> for nomination; only paid-up members can vote. Memberships<br>
>>>>> can be paid at the meeting ($25/year, $10 for first year)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> * Proxy votes and self-nominations are allowed. You can<br>
>>>>> nominate yourself even if you can't come to the meeting.<br>
>>>>> E-mail me if you can't come, but want to run.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> * Three to Five members to be elected; they will choose<br>
>>>>> amongst themselves which positions to fill: ** Co-Chair (2<br>
>>>>> year term) ** Secretary (2 year term) ** 1 - 3 Members at<br>
>>>>> Large (1 year term) ** The second Co-Chair (Bob Jonkman)<br>
>>>>> and Treasurer (Aden Seaman) will complete the second year<br>
>>>>> of their two-year term. 5) New Business * Summer Festivals<br>
>>>>> - volunteers needed!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 6) Announcements<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 7) Adjournment<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> 8) Discussion<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> == Registration ==<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Registration is optional, but will help with the<br>
>>>>> reservation at the restaurant.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Register at:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/event/fair-vote-waterloo-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/<wbr>event/fair-vote-waterloo-</a><br>
> annual-general-meeting-for-<wbr>2017/#registration<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> The AGM will start at 7:00pm, but please join us for<br>
>>>>> dinner at 6:00pm -- ERK has a small kitchen, and good food<br>
>>>>> takes time to prepare.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> --Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>> Co-Chair, Fair Vote<br>
>>>>> Waterloo<br>
>>>><br>
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