<div dir="auto">"Proportional Representation" on the back?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2017 8:08 PM, "Donald Fraser" <<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I get the idea of a question to promote discussion ... but we reach far more people who will only read our message and never speak to us ... e.g. when we are shopping, walking, etc. ... they need to get the message without discussion.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 July 2017 at 18:24, Jay Judkowitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judkowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">judkowitz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Works for me</div><div class="m_-698351841665132157HOEnZb"><div class="m_-698351841665132157h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2017 3:37 PM, "David Dolson" <<a href="mailto:ddolson@golden.net" target="_blank">ddolson@golden.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="en-US" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I like it too. A variation would be to end it with "lacks", to make it sound like a bad thing.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"<span style="line-height:initial">What do 92 democracies have that Canada lacks?"</span></div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">-Dave</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,'BB Alpha Sans','Slate Pro';font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Sharon Sommerville</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:17 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a snappy message</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div id="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292_originalContent"><div dir="ltr">Nice one Jay.<div><br></div><div>S.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jay Judkowitz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judkowitz@gmail.com" target="_blank">judkowitz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Sorry. One more. I liked the idea of a question to spur discussion.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"What do 92 democracies have that Canada does not?"</div></div><div class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292HOEnZb"><div class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 22, 2017 2:03 PM, "Sharon Sommerville" <<a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com" target="_blank">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Everyone,<div><br></div><div>Below are the 14 suggestions so far, in the order in which they were received:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:19.2px">"Your vote should count"</span><br style="font-size:19.2px"><br style="font-size:19.2px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">"40% votes</span><br style="font-size:19.2px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">60% seats</span><br style="font-size:19.2px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">100% power"</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div><p style="font-size:19.2px">True democracy should be</p><p style="font-size:19.2px">fair representation for all.</p><p style="font-size:19.2px"><br></p><p style="font-size:19.2px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"> "Want PR - don't trust a Liberal"</span><br></p><p style="font-size:19.2px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></p><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Democracy is Representation - Fair Representation - Proportional Representation</div></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Democracy: Fair, Proportional.<br></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Demand Representation: Fair & Proportional.<br></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px;font-family:Calibri,"Slate Pro",sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px">We want <span style="line-height:initial">Representation: Fair & Proportional.</span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="line-height:initial"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="line-height:initial"><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px">Vote to make your Vote Count</div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px">vote for a candidate who supports PR in 2019</span><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px">Proportional is best for all voters.</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px">Vote much?</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><a href="http://fairvote.ca/" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px" target="_blank"><span id="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684gmail-:4ob.1">fairvote</span>.ca</a><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><div class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684gmail-adm"><div id="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684gmail-q_15d6559ca914a8ad_1" class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684gmail-ajR m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684gmail-h4"></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px">Proportional Representation: No Taxation Without Representation </span><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">"No Taxation without </span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:19.2px"><font color="#de0021">Proportional</font></span><span style="font-size:19.2px"> Represent<wbr>ation" * - the original suggestion didn't have the "out" in "without". </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:13px">39=54=100?</span><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"> ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------------------------</span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">We need a way to consider these excellent suggestions. We could use a ranked ballot? :) Send in your top 4, we will compile them and look for a majority! :)</span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">Other suggestions on the selection process are welcome. The one above is just a place to start. </span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">Also, revisions to any message are also welcome. One thing to bear in mind is that becuase we have to order by Tuesday, we need to make our decision by Monday night. </span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">Thanks to everyone for their suggestions and comments, all well taken! Hope to hear from you soon!</span></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">Kind regards,</span></div><div style="text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px">Sharon</span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><br></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;width:1325px"><span style="font-size:19.2px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:initial"><br></div></span></div><div style="font-size:initial"><span style="line-height:initial"><br></span></div></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Sharon Sommerville <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com" target="_blank">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Evan,<div><br></div><div>Rather excellent!</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div><span class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Sharon</div></font></span></div><div class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684HOEnZb"><div class="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Evan Rosamond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erosamond@worldline.ca" target="_blank">erosamond@worldline.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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of my favourite cartoonist Sid Barron:<br>
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Vote much?<br>
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On 7/21/2017 8:09 AM, Sharon Sommerville wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Great ideas everyone! Enjoyed reading all of them!
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<div>The sale ends on the 25th, which is the only way we can
afford to purchase the <span id="m_-698351841665132157m_-3244270919585882028m_-5488129464059344292m_3882333673024280680m_2273540402647490684m_-3427002357891689276m_-3335085050854310495:3d1.2">Tshirts</span>.</div>
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<div>Can we make a decision over the weekend? How do we make a
decision, that is the question!</div>
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<div>Have a great day,</div>
<div>Sharon</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:40 AM,
Jennifer Ross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:2jennross@gmail.com" target="_blank">2jennross@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Heheh!<br>
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But its a good idea, Cathy. Maybe we can do that at our
next discussion group?<br>
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Dolson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ddolson@golden.net" target="_blank">ddolson@golden.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I
am brainstorming on the mailing list, which is
why you are seeing so many bad ideas from me
:-)</div>
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<div>-Dave</div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Cathy Scott</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Friday, July 21,
2017 3:14 AM</div>
<div><b>To: </b>'FVC Waterloo Region
Discussion'</div>
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<div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC Waterloo
Region Discussion</div>
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[fvc-wat-disc] New T-shirts need a
snappy message</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">HI,
All,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
have been keeping up with everyone’s
responses about the t-shirt wording
and I wonder whether it would be
helpful to have a ‘brainstorming’
session to come up with a catchy
phrase.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
have found this method quite
productive, and we have used it in
the past, where we write down
everyone’s words, phrases, concepts,
ideas, and use the results to focus
and formulate a ‘catchy message’.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cathy</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
fvc-wat-disc [mailto:<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc-bounces@l<wbr>istserv.thinkers.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sharon
Sommerville<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 19,
2017 11:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers<wbr>.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [fvc-wat-disc] New
T-shirts need a snappy message</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello FairVoting
Friends,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are thinking
about ordering new FVC t-shirts
and we need a catchy message to
put on them. Any ideas?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The message
should express our message of
fairness and equality for all
voters in just a few words. If
you have any ideas or suggestions,
please let us know!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With thanks,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sharon</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">for FVC-WR</p>
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