<div dir="ltr">still in limbo re leadership vote ... let's not keep it a secret ... who is voting for whom?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 September 2017 at 12:01, Donald Fraser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com" target="_blank">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">After reading <b style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="http://www.fairvote.ca/ndp-leadership-race/" target="_blank">http://www.fairvote.<wbr>ca/ndp-leadership-race/</a> </b><span style="font-size:12.8px">on Anita's post, I don't like Charlie's promise of a referendum after 2 terms of PR ... New Zealand did that because the National Party had committed to do so before the election ... I don't trust the Canadian electorate to inform themselves even after 2 terms ... if MMPR is in the platform, then election gives the mandate, although one might argue that it only holds if a party WINS the election.</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Once MMPR is implemented, it can still be reversed without a referendum IF the electorate elected a majority C or L government ... not likely, but possible, so nobody can claim that there is no way out.</span></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 September 2017 at 11:47, Donald Fraser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com" target="_blank">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dave, in answer to your question about 'sources' ... I was referring to my political mentors, Jenn and Sharon, who do a lot of research ... not to a sinister guy in an underground parking garage ... I'm not super connected to any anonymous sources ... BTW one of the TIFF movies stars Liam Neeson playing "Deep Throat" in the Watergate Crisis ... it will be good.</div><div class="m_-8501114324205972979HOEnZb"><div class="m_-8501114324205972979h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 September 2017 at 20:08, Dave Arthur <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arthurd23@bell.net" target="_blank">arthurd23@bell.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I watched the whole debate at the NDP event at the Duke of
Wellington.</div>
<div>I was disappointed that the PR question was brief and only involved Singh
and Caron.</div>
<div>We’re left wondering what the others’ commitments are .</div>
<div>Has Fairvote done a thorough study of the four candidates’ stances and
plans to move PR along?</div>
<div>Don, you say from all sources Caron is the most committed.</div>
<div>Is there agreement on that?</div>
<div>And, while all four said similar, good things about many issues, who is
most likely to capture Canadians’ attention and confidence?</div>
<div>Is there another Jack Layton out there?</div>
<div>Dave A</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="donaldafraser@gmail.com">Donald Fraser</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:02 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">FVC Waterloo Region
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [fvc-wat-disc] Video of Final NDP Leadership Debate in
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<div dir="ltr">Be sure to watch, so we can pick the best leader for PR
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<div><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-leadership-debate-vancouver-1.4282537" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic<wbr>s/ndp-leadership-debate-vancou<wbr>ver-1.4282537</a><br></div>
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<div>If you want to get right to the PR question, move the slider to
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<div>Guy Caron reiterated his commitment and asked Jagmeet Singh what he planned
to do ... Singh admitted that Caron's plan was good and that he himself had yet
to place his electoral reform plan on his website. Singh gave excellent reasons
for MMPR but it seems insincere if he hasn't placed it on his site. Neither
Charlie nor Niki commented, but the Vancouver debate rules didn't allow
that.</div>
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<div>But from all sources, Caron, in my opinion, is the most committed to
PR.</div>
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<div>cheers,</div>
<div>Don</div>
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