<div dir="ltr"><div><div>A ranked ballot within an MMP system would still give you the two votes. Just if your most preferred candidate is eliminated, that 'first' vote would go to the next candidate on your list.<br><br></div>I should also mention that your second vote might not do anything if your first vote was successful. Let's say Bob magically ran in Waterloo rather than Kit-Con, and you ranked your first vote for Bob because, well, its BOB! Then you ranked second the NDP candidate, and your party vote went to the NDP. Let's say the NDP candidate won the riding contest (sorry, Bob!) So now the NDP doesn't need to top up its representation in the region, because the riding level MP provides the suitable representation in proportion to the votes cast.<br><br></div>It becomes interesting if Bob would have won that scenario because your first vote would have 'counted' so do you still get your second vote for the different party? I think you do!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Donald Fraser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com" target="_blank">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, and that's why I prefer FPTP for candidate vote in MMPR ... each voter gets 2 votes, one for candidate and one for party ... BUT the candidate vote counts for the party of the candidate's party EVEN IF THE CANDIDATE LOSES ... this allows a voter to vote for a candidate of a different party than the voter's chosen party ... it also means that if a voter's candidate loses in the riding, the voter still has both votes counted. </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 September 2017 at 12:47, Bob Jonkman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
Hash: SHA1<br>
<br>
Proof that ranked ballots don't eliminate strategic voting.<br>
<br>
- --Bob.<br>
<div><div class="m_2106833545894880453h5"><br>
On 2017-09-14 10:39 PM, Catherine Campbell wrote:<br>
> I voted for Guy Caron. Strongest PR supporter, most likely to win<br>
> most seats for NDP, hence most likely to scare the PM into keeping<br>
> his promise of electoral reform. I voted only for Guy Caron on the<br>
> paper ballot which I've already mailed. I wanted to give him the<br>
> best chance of winning, so I didn't specify other candidates who<br>
> might get more votes than him in later rounds.<br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________ This is the<br>
> fvc-wat-disc mailing list Post a message:<br>
> <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers<wbr>.org</a> Unsubscribe:<br>
> <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/m<wbr>ailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_l<wbr>istserv.thinkers.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div>- --<br>
Bob Jonkman <<a href="mailto:bjonkman@sobac.com" target="_blank">bjonkman@sobac.com</a>> Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-519-635-9413" value="+15196359413" target="_blank">+1-519-635-9413</a><br>
SOBAC Microcomputer Services <a href="http://sobac.com/sobac/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://sobac.com/sobac/</a><br>
Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting<br>
GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA<br>
<br>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
Version: GnuPG v2<br>
Comment: Ensure confidentiality, authenticity, non-repudiability<br>
<br>
iEYEARECAAYFAlm8BCYACgkQuRKJsN<wbr>LM5eqyLQCguN3Ol3QZQH2K9XuEiCCB<wbr>L52t<br>
5OsAoP4aO3jdoQqZ51yfLjWbckP1YT<wbr>nK<br>
=coVb<br>
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
<div class="m_2106833545894880453HOEnZb"><div class="m_2106833545894880453h5"><br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br>
Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers<wbr>.org</a><br>
Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/m<wbr>ailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_l<wbr>istserv.thinkers.org</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list<br>
Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.<wbr>thinkers.org</a><br>
Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_<wbr>listserv.thinkers.org</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:10px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span><font color="#888888"><font size="1"><span style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif"><span style="line-height:10.909090995788574px">No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power </span></span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-family:tahoma,new york,times,serif"><span style="line-height:10.909090995788574px">in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister. </span></span></font></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</div>