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<DIV>Remember the BC referendum passed with 58% and was rejected by a government
that got in with less than that.</DIV>
<DIV>The Ontario referendum was done with a public that had been given virtually
no information about the issue by a government that didn’t want it to
pass.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=sharonsommerville@gmail.com>Sharon Sommerville</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:56 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org>FVC Waterloo Region
Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with Bardish</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Harold,
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<DIV>Will put you on the list to meet with Minister <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:zj.12>Chagger</SPAN>, thank you!</DIV>
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<DIV>As for a referendum; we don't have a history of using referendum to deal
with federal issues, (only prohibition, conscription and Charlottetown in our
150 years), we send <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:zj.13>Cdn</SPAN>. service people off
to kill or be killed without a national referendum, representation is a right
& we don't vote on rights, the <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:zj.14>LPC</SPAN> ran on
a promise of changing our electoral system & 68% of <SPAN tabIndex=-1
id=:zj.15>Cdns</SPAN>, voted for a party that campaigned for or has electoral
reform as a party platform (<SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:zj.16>LPC</SPAN>, <SPAN
tabIndex=-1 id=:zj.17>NDP</SPAN> & Greens), they have a majority and a
mandate to change our electoral system & they are using the referendum issue
to justify not changing the system in keeping with what the PM wants which
happens to favour the <SPAN tabIndex=-1 id=:zj.18>LPC</SPAN>.</DIV>
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<DIV>Will keep you posted around possible dates and times for an
appointment.</DIV>
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<DIV>With thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Sharon</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Harold Remus <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A target=_blank>hremus@golden.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Thanks, Sharon.</DIV>
<DIV>500+ signatures is formidable, IMHO.</DIV>
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<DIV>I would like to come to the meeting with Bardish, but it depends on
transportation and the date and possible scheduling conflicts.</DIV>
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<DIV>How to address that pesky qu. of a referendum. People blindly
point to the Ont and BC as negative examples. Getting into the details
glazes people’s eyes over. And of course, you say you are for
“democracy”---well, referendum....</DIV>
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<DIV>PM: the decision his to make. No. 45: deciding to pull out of
the Paris climate agreement. Expletive!</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=sharonsommerville@gmail.com target=_blank>Sharon
Sommerville</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 13, 2017 7:37 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org target=_blank>FVC
Waterloo Region Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Our Meeting With Raj
Saini</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Thank you Cathy.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Cathy Scott <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A target=_blank>cathy.scottfree@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>HI,
Sharon<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Thanks
for the information about the meeting with Raj.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>It
sounds like it went well. I’m glad there were enough people to fill
the room.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>See
you soon<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Cathy<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> fvc-wat-disc
[mailto:<A
target=_blank>fvc-wat-disc-bounces@l<WBR>istserv.thinkers.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Sharon Sommerville<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 12, 2017
9:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
target=_blank>fvc-wat-announce@listserv.thin<WBR>kers.org</A>; <A
target=_blank>fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers<WBR>.org</A><SPAN><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[fvc-wat-disc] Our Meeting With Raj Saini<U></U><U></U></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hello Fairvoting Friends,<U></U><U></U></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Friday afternoon, a group of nine of us meet with Raj
Saini, (L) MP for Kitchener Centre. Nine folks pretty much fills Raj's
office! We presented Raj with this summer's petition which asked that
his party keep their campaign promise and enact legislation to change our
electoral system in time for 2019. There were well over 500 signatures
on the petition.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Our message was strong, clear, passionate and respectful.
Each of us had time to speak directly to Raj about why they care about
electoral reform. Those comments were very powerful.
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<P class=MsoNormal>People spoke about the inevitability of electoral reform
as our own experience and recent polls (In late Oct. Insights West found
that 67% of Cdns. want the Liberal government to keep its promise on
electoral reform, in early Oct. Angus Reid found the same) & the
evidence that supports change, one of us emphasized that this is a legacy
issue as his father before him established by patriating our Constitution
and<SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white"> raised the question of what side of
history do you and your party want to be on?, one of us asked him, "I know,
that you know that PR is the way to go to establish a fair electoral system,
what happen?". One of us asked, what can we do to help you support
PR?. One wanted to finally, after 40 years of voting, to be
represented by someone they voted for. </SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white">We addressed Trudeau's
statement that the decision to renege on the promise of electoral reform was
his to make and he made it because they weren't going to be able to
institute Alternative Vote (June 2017, Iqaluit, Nunavut). We raised
the anti-democratic nature of that statement. Raj spoke about the threat of
a referendum being the justification for not moving forward with electoral
reform. We knew that because the Liberals were unwilling to negotiate with
the NDP & Greens to bring about the ERRE recommendations, the NDP &
Greens brokered a deal with the Conservatives. To bring in a majority report
from the ERRE committee, the price was a
referendum.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white">Raj promised to present
our petition to the House and speak with the Minister of Democratic
Institutions about our concerns. We thank Raj for taking those actions
and for the respectful conversation we had on
Friday.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>There is interest in putting a group together to speak
with Bardish Chagger (L) Waterloo. If anyone is interested in going to meet
with Minister Chagger, please let me know and we will arrange a
meeting. You can reach me at:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>sharonsommerville@<A href="http://gmail.com"
target=_blank>gmail.com</A> <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>A sincere thank you to the eight fair voting supporters
who attended Friday's meeting. Everyone's passion, honesty and
determination is inspiring. <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Attached is a wonderful video of Sam Cooke's "A Change Is
Gonna Come", just in case you need a little inspiration right now.
And, you can see a photo of our team outside Raj's office at FVC-WR's
website. The link is also attached.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>With thanks to all our supporters for your continued
support as we work toward building a better Canada.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Best wishes,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Sharon<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>for FVC-WR<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><A href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBlaMOmKV4"
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