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<DIV>However, Bardish is a cabinet minister and isn’t she, as a member of the
cabinet with responsibilities for Small Business and Tourism and Government
House Leader, responsible to all Canadians, not just her own
constituents????</DIV>
<DIV>May I add that we must meet with her in a positive manner in any
case.</DIV>
<DIV>In my two meetings with her she becomes defensive quickly and can demean
those who don’t agree with her or with the Trudeau government.</DIV>
<DIV>However, it is our job to be ready for this and to have solid,
well-prepared points to counter this.</DIV>
<DIV>Dave A</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=stephanie@janzenmartin.net>Stephanie Janzen-Martin</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 20, 2017 1:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org>FVC Waterloo Region
Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with Bardish</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Anita,
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for that info. Very useful. :) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SJM</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr>On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:59 PM Anita Nickerson
<<A>anitann88@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi folks. I'm only partially following this discussion.. but if
it's that Bardish's office wants the names and addresses of all attendees, so
that they will only allow people who live in the riding to attend, in
organizing MP visits with Liberals across the country in the past 1-2 years,
that's pretty common practice for the assistant to require that. Sometimes you
can give them a few names and addresses and then kinda add other people in who
just show up with you. But they don't want to deal with non-constituents.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anita</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Mary Jackes <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A target=_blank>mkj@bell.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P>Yes, indeed. Anything other than a polite approach to a politician
is completely counter-productive. Perhaps simply asking for
clarification? That could present the opportunity to say that we find
a requirement of details on the visiting group unprecedented.<BR></P>
<P>Based on 13 years of association with Fair Vote and other groups here in
Waterloo, plus years in Alberta, I would say such a request is
unprecedented. And it's for that reason that I find asking for names
and addresses odd. Definitely "intimidation" comes in different forms
in different countries (I've worked in several where intimidation could mean
really bad things - for me up to and including a wall and a sub-machine gun
in one country and being chased by armed goons through the night in
another). But in Canadian terms.......... My reaction to Stu's email
was that "intimidating" was a reasonable word for him to have used, in the
sense of inducing anxiety.<SPAN class=m_133367381446398285HOEnZb><FONT
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<P>Mary.<BR></P></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV class=m_133367381446398285m_4789092478023249547moz-cite-prefix>On
11/20/2017 10:16 AM, Stephanie Janzen-Martin wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi all,
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<DIV>Thank you for the responses. I am all in favour of pushing MPs
(respectfully), on policy issues. My only concern with how this email
thread was going was that it seemed to be veering into territory that
seemed unnecessarily harsh and negative - if we see our MP as treating
people as second class citizens and intimidation etc, those are big
claims, and I hesitate to throw them around lightly. (I've lived places
where that is a real threat, and that kind of stuff actually does happen,
and it looks very different from this - trust me! :)) Not that there isn't
maybe a way that Bardish could have handled this better, but jumping to
intimidation just seems unrealistic to me - especially since, as far I can
tell, nobody has even asked her why she wanted the info. Feels like a lot
of negative speculation that is very thin on facts. :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Why would we confront Bardish (even if it is done politely) and tell
her that some people didn't like her request, and are accusing her of
intimidation, when we haven't even bothered to ask her why she asked for
the info in the first place? Shouldn't we learn more first?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let's have a great chat with Bardish about PR and policy, and be
smart and clear-headed about it. Let's not jump to falsely positive
conclusions (overly naive), but let's also not jump to falsely negative
conclusions (overly cynical). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SJM</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr>On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:59 AM STUART CHANDLER <<A
target=_blank>stuchandler43@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Stephanie (and all) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I, for one, certainly value your viewpoint. It's good to know
you've had a positive experience working with Bardish's office. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Personally, I always approach life from the perspective of "Expect
the Best", so, I want there to be no misunderstanding of my intent. I
agree 100% that we should approach EVERY meeting with ANY person or
group from that positive perspective. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, I believe it is wise to consider all factors before such a
meeting, so as not to be blind-sided by something that, in retrospect we
should have seen coming. And we are left standing with mouths agape, not
knowing what say in response. I also believe it is possible to say
challenging things in very respectful ways. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In my opinion, the best way to approach this would be to
respectfully advise her office of how the email is being received by
some people, and to add the assurance that we imagine that reaction was
not intended.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have identified 3 reactions: 1) surprise and concern over the
introduction of a new practice in the visit to the MP's office. 2) the
feeling of intimidation generated. 3) the feeling of possible exclusion
(or being considered 2nd-class) if a prospective visitor lives in a
different riding. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As we are a group that is focused on the promotion of increased
Democracy, I suggest that before we passively accept a new practice by
an MP, we consider if it is likely to advance the cause of Democracy
(and access to MPs) or more likely to have the opposite effect. To me,
this seems to have the opposite effect. And an MP should be respectfully
advised. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sincerely. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Stu. </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers
network.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>Stephanie Janzen-Martin</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent: </B>Monday, November 20, 2017 9:00
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<DIV><B>To: </B>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject: </B>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with Bardisheach
meeting </DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi all,
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'll add my thoughts in here, if you don't mind. I am not a
particular fan of the liberals (I'm NDP/Green) - but I have had several
issues where I have been working with Bardish's office (here and Ottawa)
for the last year or so. She and her staff have been extremely polite,
positive and helpful, while working with me on big questions, despite
there being no immediate fix available. (On another issue, they worked
very hard with me over several weeks and found an immediate solution,
which was great!)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Maybe she really is trying to secretly intimidate the opposition by
getting logistical info, or maybe this is a simple misunderstanding that
is being escalated every time someone else responds in the email thread.
If so, I am sure that any meeting we might get with her in this issue
will be compromised if we go in assuming the worst. How can we expect to
work for positive change if we are so convinced of such negative things
about her, based on so little info? If that is how the meeting is
going to be started, then I'd rather not be a part of it, since I
already have a great working relationship with her and her staff, and I
don't want to jeopardize it with these negative assumptions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All I'm saying is that I would give the benefit of the doubt and
get more info before assuming intimidation... :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope that helps,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SJM</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>
<DIV dir=ltr>On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 1:09 PM Mary Jackes <<A
target=_blank>mkj@bell.net</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P>I must say that this leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth.
It feels like intimidation. <BR></P>Best,<BR><BR>Mary</DIV>
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<DIV
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11/18/2017 9:21 AM, STUART CHANDLER wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks Sharon for passing the Bardish email along. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Holy crap!! More proof that Bardish has a HUGE amount of
nerve, and indulges in covert/overt intimidation (although I'm sure
she would cleverly try to sell it as "genuine interest in her
constituants". I have no doubt that she has a pretty clear sense
of the effect that "interest" (in having the names and addresses of
those interested in visiting her office - particularly if coming
with intent to complain or challenge) would have on anyone so
inclined. <BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers
network.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>Sharon Sommerville</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent: </B>Friday, November 17, 2017 8:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To: </B>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</DIV>
<DIV><B>Reply To: </B>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject: </B>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi Cathe,
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That would be great, thank you! Will </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is <SPAN
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email that I rec'd today from <SPAN
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constituency assistant:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Hi
Sharon,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
for your email and for your call the other day, could you please let
me know some info about who would like to meet? Could you please
also provide their Waterloo addresses for our records?</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
and I hope you’re having a great day.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Sincerely,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="FONT-SIZE: 19px"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d
face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">In my experience, it is unheard of to screen
constituents for a meeting with a MP. Let me know if you want
to provide Bardish's office with your address.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d
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sans-serif"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d
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sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Cheers,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d
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