<div dir="ltr">Thank you Stephanie. I plan to email Dilion tomorrow and will pass your name & address along.<div><br></div><div>Hope to hear something next week from Bardish's office. Will update everyone as soon as we have a confirmed date & time.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sharon</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Stephanie Janzen-Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie@janzenmartin.net" target="_blank">stephanie@janzenmartin.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>If adding my name/address to the list is helpful, I'm happy to do that as well. I'm hoping to attend the meeting, depending on scheduling. It's 354 Boxbury Dr in Waterloo.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>SJM</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:48 PM Sharon Sommerville <<a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com" target="_blank">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello FairVoting Friends,<div><br></div><div>Heard from Bardish's office today. Her assistant, Dillion, was in touch to thanks us for the 6 names and addresses that we provided yesterday and said that they are waiting for the other two names before booking any time for us. Dillion indicated that an appointment will likely be after Dec. 15th when the House rises for Christmas break.</div><div><br></div><div>I asked for clarification around attendees from out of the riding but within the Region. Hope to hear from him on that tomorrow & will get back to everyone as soon as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like share some thoughts with everyone in the hope of providing some context for the meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>This meeting arose from a request by a Waterloo resident who attended the meeting with Raj to meet with his MP, Bardish Chagger. The objective of the meeting with Raj was to allow people to share their values and perspectives on the principles of proportional representation and the process of electoral reform. The meeting with Raj was an honest and respectful exchange with a member of the party who promised electoral reform and then pulled the plug on it.</div><div><br></div><div>My hope about the upcoming meeting with Bardish is that it would be more or less the same; an opportunity to have a respectful, civil conversation with a member of the government about why electoral reform is important to individuals in her riding. It would serve to remind the government that the promise of electoral reform meant something to people and that we hope that change might still be possible.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone is interested in attending, please let me know and provide your address as it is a requirement for this meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>With thanks,</div><div>Sharon</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> <br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Stephanie Janzen-Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie@janzenmartin.net" target="_blank">stephanie@janzenmartin.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply - I definitely appreciate it. :)</div><div><br></div><div>I have also been left wondering what I'm missing. From what I have seen, a simple request has turned into some significant accusations. To me, this risks taking us off topic and creating other problems. If people are coming to the meeting viewing Bardish as a corrupt politician, I'm really concerned that will creep into the approach, even if people try to cover it up. That would be a loss for everybody, in my opinion.We may disagree with her on a policy piece, but there is nothing to be gained by going in viewing her as someone who engages in political intimidation - if anything, that approach will result in a poorly worded pitch, and create exactly the defensiveness we are already accusing her of. </div><div><br></div><div>So, from my perspective, I see a simple misunderstanding (which, as far I can tell, nobody has tried to clear up with Bardish's office), and an opportunity to engage in a respectful policy discussion with a real human being, who is, presumably, doing her best in the midst of challenging circumstances. Doesn't mean everybody likes every decision - that's what discussion and accountability are for. :)</div><div><br></div><div> If the group is approaching Bardish with a positive perspective (as a human being, who we agree with on many things, and are nudging a change on one thing), instead of a politician who is out to intimidate and suppress opposition, I am very happy to be part of the meeting. I have always found her lovely to work with, even through some challenging times. I hope to see that continue. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Just my thoughts, </div><span class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>SJM</div></font></span></div><div class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156HOEnZb"><div class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM Corliss Olson <<a href="mailto:cpolson11@gmail.com" target="_blank">cpolson11@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hello everyone,<br><br></div>I have been following this discussion, & have indicated that I am also interested in attending this meeting with Ms. Chagger if I am available at the time. My address is 24 - 74 Autumn Ridge Trail, Kitchener. I am in Kitchener South-Hespler.<br><br></div>Did I miss an email that said specifically that we are not welcome/allowed to attend if we are not in the riding? I did see the request for addresses, which struck me as perfectly reasonable to identify constituents coming with concerns. (And I took the request for a Waterloo address as a subtle hint, &/or a mechanism to "screen" for actual constituents/voters in the riding.)<br><br></div>I think that, as a Cabinet Minister, there is greater scope for attendees -- although I think any of us visiting any MP should also be perfectly acceptable. I do not feel nor do I see any hint of intimidation. And, even if there were, why wouldn't we just show up? If we are too many for the room, of course some of us would be excluded. <br><br></div>I think the key points have to do with respectful presentation of our concerns. And it's not a bad idea to spell out how this is good for the governing party.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Corliss<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:04 AM, STUART CHANDLER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuchandler43@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuchandler43@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial" lang="en-US"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I appreciate Evans desire to move forward and prepare for the meeting by discussing points relevant to ER & PR. And also Dave Arthur's observations about a Cabinet Minister having greater responsibilities to all Canadians as well as his previous experience with Bardish's defensiveness. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I regret my role in us possibly getting sidetracked about issues like whether I should have felt intimidated or fears that the debate was becoming too negative. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is certain that those who oppose PR are happiest if they believe we are divided against one another. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I can appreciate also that none of you know me very well, and may see my emotional responses as a concern. Those who do know me well have commended me for the respectful & caring way that I deal with others.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">My riding is Kitchener-Conestoga, so "my representative" in Parliament is a member of a party that presently does not represent my main values. So I am saddened and disappointed by the news that a neighbouring Liberal riding office would be less than welcoming - especially after campaigning on "Real Change", and promising to represent all Canadians & be open to hearing all perspectives. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">My point is: The relevance this has to PR is that the Liberals have been trying to promote the idea that, with them in power, PR is not necessary, since they will be so good at representing all Canadians. So I see this screening issue as further proof (proof that Bardish has provided) that PR is really needed (and that another promise has been broken). </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Thanks for listening. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">In peace. </div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stu </div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 <wbr>smartphone on the Rogers <wbr>network.</div> <table style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,'BB Alpha Sans','Slate Pro';font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Evan Rosamond</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:26 AM</div><div><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.<wbr>thinkers.org</a></div><div><b>Reply To: </b>FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with Bardish</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div id="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373_originalContent" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<div class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373moz-cite-prefix">Hey Waterloonians,<br>
<br>
It's a relief that you seem to have decided not to be intimidated.
Since I live in Kitchener, it seems I've been uninvited to Ms
Chaggar's gathering. <br>
<br>
When you get to Bardish's office have your points all ready.
Here's a sample of stuff you might want to talk about:<br>
<ul>
<li>As far as we can tell from polls and our own door-knocking
campaign, approximately 2/3 of the voters want the government
to keep Trudeau's promise of 2015.</li>
<li>The main reason for all this is fairness. As much as
possible we want a system fair to parties (number of seats
proportional to a party's actual support), fair to candidates
(no need for strategic voting), and fair to voters (nearly all
votes should help some candidate get elected).<br>
</li>
<li>There is still time to get PR installed for the 2019
election, but the government will have to reverse their
reversal soon. <br>
</li>
<li>However, there is no longer enough time to redraw the
election map. This means that MMP and all its variations can't
be considered if we want a fair election in 2019. That leaves
only a 2-level open list system or one of the many variants of
STV.</li>
<li>Any sort of PR will cost the Liberals some seats, based on
2015 results. but it would give them more seats based on 2011
results. But since there will be minority governments nearly
all the time, the Liberals could find themselves on the
government side more or less perpetually, but they will have
to share it.<br>
</li>
<li>PR will also give all national parties some MPs from all
parts of Canada.</li>
</ul>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Evan Rosamond<br>
</p>
<br>
On 11/20/2017 5:04 PM, Dave Arthur wrote:<br>
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<div>However, Bardish is a cabinet minister and isn’t she, as
a member of the cabinet with responsibilities for Small
Business and Tourism and Government House Leader,
responsible to all Canadians, not just her own
constituents????</div>
<div>May I add that we must meet with her in a positive manner
in any case.</div>
<div>In my two meetings with her she becomes defensive quickly
and can demean those who don’t agree with her or with the
Trudeau government.</div>
<div>However, it is our job to be ready for this and to have
solid, well-prepared points to counter this.</div>
<div>Dave A</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="stephanie@janzenmartin.net">Stephanie Janzen-Martin</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 20, 2017 1:34 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">FVC Waterloo Region
Discussion</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] Meeting with
Bardish</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Anita,
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks for that info. Very useful. :) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>SJM</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:59 PM Anita
Nickerson <<a>anitann88@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi folks. I'm only partially following
this discussion.. but if it's that Bardish's office
wants the names and addresses of all attendees, so
that they will only allow people who live in the
riding to attend, in organizing MP visits with
Liberals across the country in the past 1-2 years,
that's pretty common practice for the assistant to
require that. Sometimes you can give them a few names
and addresses and then kinda add other people in who
just show up with you. But they don't want to deal
with non-constituents.
<div> </div>
<div>Anita</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:52
AM, Mary Jackes <span dir="ltr"><<a>mkj@bell.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Yes, indeed. Anything other than a polite
approach to a politician is completely
counter-productive. Perhaps simply asking for
clarification? That could present the
opportunity to say that we find a requirement
of details on the visiting group
unprecedented.<br>
</p>
<p>Based on 13 years of association with Fair
Vote and other groups here in Waterloo, plus
years in Alberta, I would say such a request
is unprecedented. And it's for that reason
that I find asking for names and addresses
odd. Definitely "intimidation" comes in
different forms in different countries (I've
worked in several where intimidation could
mean really bad things - for me up to and
including a wall and a sub-machine gun in one
country and being chased by armed goons
through the night in another). But in
Canadian terms.......... My reaction to Stu's
email was that "intimidating" was a reasonable
word for him to have used, in the sense of
inducing anxiety.<span class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373m_133367381446398285HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<p>Mary.<br>
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<div class="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373m_133367381446398285m_4789092478023249547moz-cite-prefix">On
11/20/2017 10:16 AM, Stephanie
Janzen-Martin wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,
<div> </div>
<div>Thank you for the responses. I am
all in favour of pushing MPs
(respectfully), on policy issues. My
only concern with how this email
thread was going was that it seemed to
be veering into territory that seemed
unnecessarily harsh and negative - if
we see our MP as treating people as
second class citizens and intimidation
etc, those are big claims, and I
hesitate to throw them around lightly.
(I've lived places where that is a
real threat, and that kind of stuff
actually does happen, and it looks
very different from this - trust me!
:)) Not that there isn't maybe a way
that Bardish could have handled this
better, but jumping to intimidation
just seems unrealistic to me -
especially since, as far I can tell,
nobody has even asked her why she
wanted the info. Feels like a lot of
negative speculation that is very thin
on facts. :)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Why would we confront Bardish (even
if it is done politely) and tell her
that some people didn't like her
request, and are accusing her of
intimidation, when we haven't even
bothered to ask her why she asked for
the info in the first place? Shouldn't
we learn more first?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Let's have a great chat with
Bardish about PR and policy, and be
smart and clear-headed about it. Let's
not jump to falsely positive
conclusions (overly naive), but let's
also not jump to falsely negative
conclusions (overly cynical). </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thoughts?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>SJM</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at
9:59 AM STUART CHANDLER <<a>stuchandler43@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Stephanie (and all) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I, for one, certainly value
your viewpoint. It's good to know
you've had a positive experience
working with Bardish's office. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Personally, I always approach
life from the perspective of
"Expect the Best", so, I want
there to be no misunderstanding of
my intent. I agree 100% that we
should approach EVERY meeting with
ANY person or group from that
positive perspective. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>However, I believe it is wise
to consider all factors before
such a meeting, so as not to be
blind-sided by something that, in
retrospect we should have seen
coming. And we are left standing
with mouths agape, not knowing
what say in response. I also
believe it is possible to say
challenging things in very
respectful ways. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>In my opinion, the best way to
approach this would be to
respectfully advise her office of
how the email is being received by
some people, and to add the
assurance that we imagine that
reaction was not intended.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I have identified 3 reactions:
1) surprise and concern over the
introduction of a new practice in
the visit to the MP's office. 2)
the feeling of intimidation
generated. 3) the feeling of
possible exclusion (or being
considered 2nd-class) if a
prospective visitor lives in a
different riding. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>As we are a group that is
focused on the promotion of
increased Democracy, I suggest
that before we passively accept a
new practice by an MP, we consider
if it is likely to advance the
cause of Democracy (and access to
MPs) or more likely to have the
opposite effect. To me, this
seems to have the opposite effect.
And an MP should be respectfully
advised. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sincerely. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Stu. </div>
</div>
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<div>Sent from my BlackBerry 10
smartphone on the Rogers network.</div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Stephanie
Janzen-Martin</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Monday,
November 20, 2017 9:00
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Waterloo Region
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all,
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<div>I'll add my thoughts in
here, if you don't mind. I am
not a particular fan of the
liberals (I'm NDP/Green) - but
I have had several issues
where I have been working with
Bardish's office (here and
Ottawa) for the last year or
so. She and her staff have
been extremely polite,
positive and helpful, while
working with me on big
questions, despite there being
no immediate fix available.
(On another issue, they worked
very hard with me over several
weeks and found an immediate
solution, which was great!)</div>
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<div>Maybe she really is trying
to secretly intimidate the
opposition by getting
logistical info, or maybe this
is a simple misunderstanding
that is being escalated every
time someone else responds in
the email thread. If so, I am
sure that any meeting we might
get with her in this issue
will be compromised if we go
in assuming the worst. How can
we expect to work for positive
change if we are so convinced
of such negative things about
her, based on so little info?
If that is how the meeting is
going to be started, then I'd
rather not be a part of it,
since I already have a great
working relationship with her
and her staff, and I don't
want to jeopardize it with
these negative assumptions.</div>
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<div>All I'm saying is that I
would give the benefit of the
doubt and get more info before
assuming intimidation... :)</div>
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<div>Hope that helps,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>SJM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Nov 19,
2017 at 1:09 PM Mary Jackes
<<a>mkj@bell.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>I must say that this
leaves an unpleasant taste
in the mouth. It feels
like intimidation. <br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
Mary</div>
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11/18/2017 9:21 AM, STUART
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<div>Thanks Sharon for
passing the Bardish
email along. </div>
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<div>Holy crap!! More
proof that Bardish has a
HUGE amount of nerve,
and indulges in
covert/overt
intimidation (although
I'm sure she would
cleverly try to sell it
as "genuine interest in
her constituants". I
have no doubt that she
has a pretty clear sense
of the effect that
"interest" (in having
the names and addresses
of those interested in
visiting her office -
particularly if coming
with intent to complain
or challenge) would have
on anyone so inclined. <br>
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BlackBerry 10 smartphone
on the Rogers network.</div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Sharon
Sommerville</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Friday,
November 17,
2017 8:08 PM</div>
<div><b>To: </b>FVC
Waterloo
Region
Discussion</div>
<div><b>Reply
To: </b>FVC
Waterloo
Region
Discussion</div>
<div><b>Subject:
</b>Re:
[fvc-wat-disc]
Meeting with
Bardish</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Cathe,
<div> </div>
<div>That would be
great, thank you!
Will </div>
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<div>Here is <span id="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373m_133367381446398285m_4789092478023249547m_-4880881446777834969m_4005109044483004758:y4.1">th</span>
email that I rec'd
today from <span id="m_-7616782139086567033m_-4433427788605977156m_3837552680686879213m_-539243175289284113m_-4951639944841299373m_133367381446398285m_4789092478023249547m_-4880881446777834969m_4005109044483004758:y4.2">Bardish's</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi
Sharon,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
for your email
and for your
call the other
day, could you
please let me
know some info
about who would
like to meet?
Could you please
also provide
their Waterloo
addresses for
our records?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
and I hope
you’re having a
great day.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Sincerely,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE:19px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:calibri,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px">In my experience, it is unheard of to screen
constituents
for a meeting
with a MP.
Let me know if
you want to
provide
Bardish's
office with
your address.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px"><br>
</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px">Cheers,</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE:14px">Sharon</span></font></p>
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