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<p>Hello Myron & other folks on this network<br /></p>
<p>Yes your understanding of MPP is the same as mine.<br /></p>
<p>And what a super idea to turn the Toronto election into a MPP system - I suspect Ford would have a mini stroke !!<br /></p>
<p>There are two important questions though that would need to be addressed if this were to work in Toronto<br /></p>
<p>1. Would Ford allow the city to introduce a top up mechanism for an additional number of seats (say anywhere from 10 to 20)?<br /></p>
<p>2. If the city went ahead with this top up would the eligible candidates be selected from the candidates who ran in the election and lost or would there be some magic list prepared by say the Mayor's office?<br /></p>
<p>In the submission I made to the ERRE commission I tried to make it clear that the candidates for the top up seats must not be appointed by the party hierarchy. Instead the list should be created from the best of those candidates who ran in the election and did not win their seat.<br /></p>
<p>Gordon Nicholls<br /></p>
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<span face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" color="#1d2129"><span style="font-size: 14px;">Of course, the most efficient government is a benevolent dictator. Then again what did Winston S Churchhill once say about democracy? "</span></span>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">What may be the unintended consequences of the Honorable Doug Ford decision to reduce the number of City Counselors: Preparing the way for a mixed form of Proportional Representation in Toronto</span>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">1. Mr Ford has cut the number in TO basically in half.</span>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">2. Mr Ford has created Wards that represent the Provincial and Federal electoral districts.</span>
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<span style="color: #1d2129; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">3. Instead of returning to the past Ward boundaries Toronto citizens could elect an additional 20 something counselors by percentage of popular vote.</span>
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<span style="display: inline; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #1d2129; font-size: 14px;" class="gmail-m_-8327659435721887567gmail-text_exposed_show">. From my understanding that is the essence of a Mixed form of Proportional Representation: That is we have individuals elected by getting the most votes in a geographical district, and we have individuals elected by who gets the most votes in the whole of (in this situation Toronto)<br />Am I naive?.</span>
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Jennifer Ross <
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<a target="_blank" href="https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695">https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695</a>
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<span style="font-size: small;" size="2">This issue might be our tipping point :)</span>
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