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<p>Check out today's Star, too. Pretty much saying the same thing
(not in so many words).<br>
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<p>Mary.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-09-15 3:44 PM, John Cooper
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You
folks don’t understand what Ford and his acolytes are
intending to – and will - do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">He
will not accept any changes to his plan or legislation. This
weekend he’s passing legislation to limit debate or remove
it completely. He’s a dictator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
If necessary he will fight in the courts until he wins
because he is so obsessed with controlling the City and
imposing his ideas on the council. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
he can find or make a law to allow him to appoint all of the
councillors and Mayor, he will. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
the election does not proceed as he demands, because the
City Clerk says there is insufficient time to hold a fair
election etc, he will take full control of all city
operations. And the Cons have the people to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They
have been working on this since they won the election – if
not before. Really, you have no idea how this guy thinks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
necessary, he will suspend the Legislature, and pass
legislation through the Cabinet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(One
might think that at some point the Lt Gov might ‘step in’
and refuse to sign Bills. That would create a constitutional
crises!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
yahoo has the support of his caucus, Mike Harris, Federal
Conservatives, and all of the lunatic neo-cons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
names of the present legislation are reminiscent of the
‘Common /Sense Revolution’ years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This
is their chance to get what hey want.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s
a test for 2019 federal election. All they need is 33% of
the vote to win Parliament.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On
this site, I’ve written many times: the Liberals and the
Conservative do NOT want any form of Proportional
Representation. They are happy with the FPP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Trudeau
has stated that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You
need to convince as many Liberal supporters as possible to
vote NDP. Any votes for the Greens are going to be Liberal
voters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For
the next 8 months, concentrate your efforts and words on
only that effort. Otherwise, you are ‘spinning your wheels’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John
Cooper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Waterloo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> fvc-wat-disc
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org"><fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>gordon.n gordon.n<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September-15-18 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Myron Steinman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:2mdsteinm@gmail.com"><2mdsteinm@gmail.com></a>;
FVC Waterloo Region Discussion
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org"><fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org></a>; jenn
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jenn@jenniferross.ca"><jenn@jenniferross.ca></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you
all see, and share, this one!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Hello Myron & other folks on
this network<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Yes your understanding of MPP is
the same as mine.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">And what a super idea to turn the
Toronto election into a MPP system - I suspect Ford would have
a mini stroke !!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">There are two important questions
though that would need to be addressed if this were to work in
Toronto<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">1. Would Ford allow the city to
introduce a top up mechanism for an additional number of seats
(say anywhere from 10 to 20)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">2. If the city went ahead with
this top up would the eligible candidates be selected from the
candidates who ran in the election and lost or would there be
some magic list prepared by say the Mayor's office?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">In the submission I made to the
ERRE commission I tried to make it clear that the candidates
for the top up seats must not be appointed by the party
hierarchy. Instead the list should be created from the best of
those candidates who ran in the election and did not win their
seat.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Gordon Nicholls<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt">Kitchener<o:p></o:p></p>
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Original Message ---------- <br>
From: Myron Steinman <<a
href="mailto:2mdsteinm@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">2mdsteinm@gmail.com</a>>
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Date: September 15, 2018 at 8:55 PM <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Some
thoughts: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129">Of
course, the most efficient government is a
benevolent dictator. Then again what did
Winston S Churchhill once say about
democracy? "</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<h1
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:15.75pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#181818;font-weight:normal">“Democracy
is the worst form of government, except for
all the others.”<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129">What
may be the unintended consequences of the
Honorable Doug Ford decision to reduce the
number of City Counselors: Preparing the
way for a mixed form of Proportional
Representation in Toronto</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129"><br>
1. Mr Ford has cut the number in TO
basically in half.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129"><br>
2. Mr Ford has created Wards that
represent the Provincial and Federal
electoral districts.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129"><br>
3. Instead of returning to the past Ward
boundaries Toronto citizens could elect an
additional 20 something counselors by
percentage of popular vote.</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129"><br>
4</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
</span><span
class="gmail-m-8327659435721887567gmail-textexposedshow"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129">.
From my understanding that is the
essence of a Mixed form of Proportional
Representation: That is we have
individuals elected by getting the most
votes in a geographical district, and we
have individuals elected by who gets the
most votes in the whole of (in this
situation Toronto)</span></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129"><br>
<span
class="gmail-m-8327659435721887567gmail-textexposedshow">Am
I naive?.</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Myron Daniel Steinman <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">City
of Kitchener <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">On Wed,
Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Jennifer Ross < <a
href="mailto:2jennross@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">2jennross@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><a
href="https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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issue might be our tipping point
:) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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Services <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#888888">No
other Western democratic
country concentrates as much
political power in the hands
of one person as Canada does
with her Prime Minister. </span><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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