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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You folks don’t understand what Ford and his acolytes are intending to – and will - do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>He will not accept any changes to his plan or legislation. This weekend he’s passing legislation to limit debate or remove it completely. He’s a dictator.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> If necessary he will fight in the courts until he wins because he is so obsessed with controlling the City and imposing his ideas on the council. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If he can find or make a law to allow him to appoint all of the councillors and Mayor, he will. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the election does not proceed as he demands, because the City Clerk says there is insufficient time to hold a fair election etc, he will take full control of all city operations. And the Cons have the people to do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They have been working on this since they won the election – if not before. Really, you have no idea how this guy thinks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If necessary, he will suspend the Legislature, and pass legislation through the Cabinet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(One might think that at some point the Lt Gov might ‘step in’ and refuse to sign Bills. That would create a constitutional crises!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This yahoo has the support of his caucus, Mike Harris, Federal Conservatives, and all of the lunatic neo-cons.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The names of the present legislation are reminiscent of the ‘Common /Sense Revolution’ years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is their chance to get what hey want.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It’s a test for 2019 federal election. All they need is 33% of the vote to win Parliament.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On this site, I’ve written many times: the Liberals and the Conservative do NOT want any form of Proportional Representation. They are happy with the FPP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Trudeau has stated that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You need to convince as many Liberal supporters as possible to vote NDP. Any votes for the Greens are going to be Liberal voters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>For the next 8 months, concentrate your efforts and words on only that effort. Otherwise, you are ‘spinning your wheels’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>John Cooper<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Waterloo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> fvc-wat-disc <fvc-wat-disc-bounces@listserv.thinkers.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>gordon.n gordon.n<br><b>Sent:</b> September-15-18 3:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Myron Steinman <2mdsteinm@gmail.com>; FVC Waterloo Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org>; jenn <jenn@jenniferross.ca><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [fvc-wat-disc] And to be sure you all see, and share, this one!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Hello Myron & other folks on this network<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Yes your understanding of MPP is the same as mine.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>And what a super idea to turn the Toronto election into a MPP system - I suspect Ford would have a mini stroke !!<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>There are two important questions though that would need to be addressed if this were to work in Toronto<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>1. Would Ford allow the city to introduce a top up mechanism for an additional number of seats (say anywhere from 10 to 20)?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>2. If the city went ahead with this top up would the eligible candidates be selected from the candidates who ran in the election and lost or would there be some magic list prepared by say the Mayor's office?<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>In the submission I made to the ERRE commission I tried to make it clear that the candidates for the top up seats must not be appointed by the party hierarchy. Instead the list should be created from the best of those candidates who ran in the election and did not win their seat.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Gordon Nicholls<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Kitchener<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'>---------- Original Message ---------- <br>From: Myron Steinman <<a href="mailto:2mdsteinm@gmail.com">2mdsteinm@gmail.com</a>> <br>Date: September 15, 2018 at 8:55 PM <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Some thoughts: <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div style='margin-top:6.0pt' id="gmail-:349"><div id="gmail-:348"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'>Of course, the most efficient government is a benevolent dictator. Then again what did Winston S Churchhill once say about democracy? "</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:36.0pt;line-height:15.75pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#181818;font-weight:normal'>“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”<o:p></o:p></span></h1><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'>What may be the unintended consequences of the Honorable Doug Ford decision to reduce the number of City Counselors: Preparing the way for a mixed form of Proportional Representation in Toronto</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'><br>1. Mr Ford has cut the number in TO basically in half.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'><br>2. Mr Ford has created Wards that represent the Provincial and Federal electoral districts.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'><br>3. Instead of returning to the past Ward boundaries Toronto citizens could elect an additional 20 something counselors by percentage of popular vote.</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'><br>4</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span class=gmail-m-8327659435721887567gmail-textexposedshow><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'>. From my understanding that is the essence of a Mixed form of Proportional Representation: That is we have individuals elected by getting the most votes in a geographical district, and we have individuals elected by who gets the most votes in the whole of (in this situation Toronto)</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1D2129'><br><span class=gmail-m-8327659435721887567gmail-textexposedshow>Am I naive?.</span></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Myron Daniel Steinman <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>City of Kitchener <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='margin-top:1.5pt'><div id="gmail-:301"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;mso-line-height-alt:4.5pt;background:#E8EAED'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><img border=0 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:#F2F2F2'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:24 PM Jennifer Ross < <a href="mailto:2jennross@gmail.com">2jennross@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><a href="https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695" target="_blank">https://www.globalresearch.ca/demeaning-democracy-turning-doug-fords-attack-on-toronto-into-a-movement-for-democratic-renewal/5653695</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>This issue might be our tipping point :) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Jenn<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Bookkeeping Services <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>519-501-2736 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#888888'>No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister. </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>_______________________________________________ <br>This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list <br>Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a> <br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>_______________________________________________ <br>This is the fvc-wat-disc mailing list <br>Post a message: <a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a> <br>Unsubscribe: <a href="http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org">http://listserv.thinkers.org/mailman/listinfo/fvc-wat-disc_listserv.thinkers.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>