<div dir="ltr">Rising above all the details to the overall picture, If we had MMPR, and a ballot with one vote for candidate and one for party, my party vote would always be Green even though I'm an NDP member (prov and fed)... if we wreck the Planet, what good is policy? ... my candidate vote would be NDP, obviously. <div><br></div><div>Therefore I would just LOVE it if we just joined each other to avoid this angst.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 16:57, Kevin Smith <<a href="mailto:kevedsmith@gmail.com">kevedsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Ok lively discussion lol!<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Good points raised. Jason Kenney's kamikaze candidate shows the pitfalls of allowing collaboration.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If only there were true accountability for keeping election promises and agreements.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't know why people don't see the benefits of PR. How many times do we have to lose before we win?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kevin.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:37 PM Anita Nickerson, <<a href="mailto:anitann88@gmail.com" target="_blank">anitann88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't really blame Fuhr for voting no to that particular motion. <div><br></div><div>What I do blame him for is not doing anything else. </div><div><br></div><div>When you promise to be an advocate for PR in Parliament, what does that mean? You say later you had a nice conversation with someone in the bathroom?</div><div><br></div><div>He had 4 years to do something meaningful to honour that agreement. </div><div><br></div><div>Anita</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:30 AM Matthew Piggott <<a href="mailto:piggott.matthew@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">piggott.matthew@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, these sort of discussions are exactly why we need electoral reform.<div><br></div><div>In terms of the agreement out west, in addition to the items Jonathan mentioned, I do note that the Liberal who was on the receiving end of the " "pre-election alliance" didn't even bother to vote in favour of the ERRE committee report. These deals are suspect to me in principle, and that action absolutely took it off the table.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Matthew Piggott</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mar., 30 abr. 2019 a las 11:03, David dirks (<<a href="mailto:daviddirks@rogers.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">daviddirks@rogers.com</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-m_-4192780050785812240m_1739795117818553684gmail-m_3716094535263186871gmail-m_-7924473167651122764ydp3c1ed27ayahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div>Is this not why we need/want electoral reform so as not to be in a position like this?</div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div><br></div>
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