<div dir="ltr">Thanks. This is very good feedback. I really appreciate it.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:26 PM Donald Fraser <<a href="mailto:donaldafraser@gmail.com">donaldafraser@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The 'discovery' method is the best way to teach ... when students have a eureka moment and the light goes on, you've won them over ... hard to implement when teaching physics though, since you have to cover 400 years of 'discovery' by Nobel prize winners.<div><br></div><div>For door-to-door, there's no time for discovery ... the host is probably busy with a million things on his/her mind and in a hurry ... you must use talking points (ugh) ...</div><div> </div><div>1. 23% of the vote gets 23% of the seats </div><div>2. every vote counts equally</div><div>3. no need to vote strategically - you can vote your conscience </div><div>4. the cross section (party share of seats) of coalition government varies little from election to election, so the current government tweaks and improves the legislation of the previous government instead of gutting it. GOOD FOR LONG TERM PLANNING!</div><div><br></div><div>NEVER get into the nitty gritty of how to accomplish the dividing up of seats ... it doesn't matter to the voter and such discussion only reinforces anti-PR propaganda that PR is impossible to understand ... UNLESS the host insists ... then go ahead, but use the SIMPLEST example of PR possible!</div></div><div id="gmail-m_2502415683199198482DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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<div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_2502415683199198482gmail-m_-2760877027432623003m_7243733043676430742m_-4736001742491055322gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><font size="2">Bookkeeping Services</font></div><div><font size="2">519-501-2736</font><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:10px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span><font color="#888888"><font size="1"><span style="font-family:tahoma,"new york",times,serif"><span style="line-height:10.9091px">No other Western democratic country concentrates as much political power </span></span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-family:tahoma,"new york",times,serif"><span style="line-height:10.9091px">in the hands of one person as Canada does with her Prime Minister. </span></span></font></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 4:09 PM Catherine Campbell <<a href="mailto:cdcampbell9@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cdcampbell9@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Great idea</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Aug 15, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Jay Judkowitz <<a href="mailto:judkowitz@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">judkowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>FairVoters,</div><div><br></div><div> I had to explain PR to my 10 year old daughter after our last meeting and came up with this two tab spreadsheet (which can easily be printed out on a single sheet 8.5x11 sheet of paper - one tab per side). I was thinking that something like this could help us guide door to door conversations if we decide to take that route. I'd love your feedback on this idea generally, and the content specifically.</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=1710981120" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Tab 1</a> is a setup. It's the results of an election in a mythical country with 11 ridings and 21,000 people in each riding. Each cell is 1000 votes. Tab 1 asks four questions of the listener about what they thought would be fair and democratic. There is no pitch for PR at this point and no criticism of FPTP. Just try to get people's gut feel on the questions. (My daughter's gut feel on what would be fair and good aligned with our values for PR)</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xyUjwYo6TpwejEdCXbSxm11ooXFACKQAFIoZ3_mMqrg/edit#gid=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Tab 2</a> is the results with FPTP and PR. It shows the distortion of FPTP and explains why that's bad. And, the whole 39% of the votes = 100% of the power is exactly what happened in 2011 and 2015 as we know. Now presumably, the listeners answered the questions reasonably in the first tab and will be shocked by the results in the second tab. Then we explain how PR can get more closely aligned to their expectations of fairness and democracy.</div><div><br></div><div> What do you think of that approach of engaging with people - starting with the questions and letting them come to the conclusion that FPTP sucks on their own?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jay</div></div>
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