<div dir="ltr"><div>November 27, 2019</div><div><br></div><div>I support electoral reform because our democracy is broken.<br></div><div><br></div><div>it is not so much that democracy is broken in that it; rather our political systems are not able to cope with our present realities. </div><div><br></div><div>I am anxious our experiment with democracy may fail if our political systems do not continue to evolve: </div><div><br></div><div>(I am anxious that our experiment with humankind may fail eh).</div><div><br></div><div>I remain hopeful, however, and believe as a Canadian there is a role for Canada.</div><div><br></div><div>For example:</div><div><br></div><div>At one time in the geographical area of Canada person needed to be a significant landowner to have a voice, </div><div><br></div><div>Then there was the early 1920's when women in Canada were declared persons and allowed to have a voice by secret ballet. </div><div><br></div><div>It was not until 1960 that our indigenous hosts got the right to vote in Canadian elections.</div><div><br></div><div>>Furthermore: IF we had a mixed form of proportional representation in the last Federal election our Right Honourable Trudeau would have had some elected MP's from Western Canada for form his cabinet eh?.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards and sincerely,</div><div>Myron Daniel Steinman</div><div>N2G 5A1</div><div><br></div><div>Finally to paraphrase our current Prime Minister of Canada; After all it is 2019.</div><div><br></div><div>And lastly; the issues we face our too complex, and require the buy in of all our residents, now and present...and indeed the past as well yes?</div><div><br></div><div>Lastly we have the technology to enable us to have a mixed form of proportional representation with Confederation.</div><div><br></div><div>But what we are asking form is a "Citizens Assembly"...democracies need to continue to evolve eh.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:44 AM Peter KH via fvc-wat-disc <<a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org">fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">At the risk of stating the obvious, I think that it would be helpful to ask Raj "what can we do to change your mind?" (assuming that he has not recently changed his mind)<br><br>For the card, here's why I support electoral reform: "I support electoral reform because strategic voting stifles civic debate. I don't want the next election to be again about deficits vs austerity (We no longer have the luxury of government inaction being OK with the pending climate crisis and the pending jobs crisis due to automation)"<br><br>- Peter K<br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Nov 26, 2019, 2:00 PM, Anita Nickerson < <a href="mailto:anitann88@gmail.com" target="_blank">anitann88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote><br><div dir="ltr">It's okay, Raj's office now says that he can't meet off site till January (probably it was about 5 minutes away from his office to Sam's condo, but whatever ): and only 7 could fit in his office.<div><br></div><div>The group that booked the visit are going to tomorrow as a small group to his office. When I get a report I'll send to Cathy.</div><div><br></div><div>Everyone else who signed up from Kitchener Centre, I asked if they would mind writing a short note to Raj that the organizer can print tonight and take about why this is important to them. About three people have, which is great.</div><div><br></div><div>Everyone else, I encouraged them to be in touch with the local chapter if they want to get involved, as you will be talking about if/when to visit Raj again. </div><div><br></div><div><i>It was wonderful to have about 15 people signed up to go tomorrow!!</i></div><div><br></div><div>Your campaign made an impression on Raj. He only won with 36% of the vote. The best thing is if he sees that we're not slinking away into a dark corner because Liberals have declared this dead, that a 2023 local campaign could be even bigger :). </div><div><br></div><div>Anita</div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM Mary Jackes <<a href="mailto:mkj@bell.net" target="_blank">mkj@bell.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>We've been to see Raj three times about this and that. He knows
we're not from Kitchener Centre.</p>
<p>Mary<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not in Kitchener Centre but am in
Waterloo.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">How many do you have for Wednesday morning
with Raj?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would be available and I doubt that he
would know me as not in his riding.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dave A</p>
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</b><a href="mailto:cdcampbell9@gmail.com" target="_blank">Catherine Campbell</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 24, 2019 10:44 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:fvc-wat-disc@listserv.thinkers.org" target="_blank">FVC Waterloo Region Discussion</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [fvc-wat-disc] An Interesting Week For
PR</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I live in Waterloo not Kitchener Centre,
and I’m giving a speech to my Toastmaster’s International club
at that time. What about inviting Conservatives who now,
according to the poll sent to the Fair Vote list, are 70
percent in favour of electoral reform. They see how first past
the post gave the Trudeau Liberals far more seats than the
Conservatives despite the Liberals attracting one percent
fewer votes. Cathe Campbell PS Christmas party will help
Fair Vote members to network, team build and talk politics<u></u><u></u></p>
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2019, at 1:47 PM, Anita Nickerson
<a href="mailto:anitann88@gmail.com" target="_blank"><anitann88@gmail.com></a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey everyone! <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>WE NEED PEOPLE FROM KITCHENER
CENTRE TO ATTEND A MEETING WITH RAJ ON WEDNESDAY AT
11:30</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The idea is to assemble as large a
group as possible. Think of it as the "cure Raj of
apathy" initiative - may require multiple treatments
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<p class="MsoNormal">Theses visits are happening now
across the country. The favourite line of the Liberal
MPs is that nobody cares about this, it's dead in the
Liberal party blah blah. We must push back (nicely,
but persisently).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In this riding we've taken the
optimistic step of <b>hoping that we can assemble
quite a few people!</b> (If that doesn't happen, we
only look mildly like losers :). It was one of those
judgement calls - the room for 7 or the room for 20?
So we went with 20. If they could get 13 people in
Toronto Danforth and possibly 19 people in the little
town of Gibsons, BC, let's see what we can do here in
Kitchener Centre. But we'll need your help!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:yellow">If you can
join a meeting with Raj on Wednesday November 27
at 11:30 AM please email me!!</span></b><span style="color:black;background:yellow"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white">A local
supporter has agreed to book a room in her condo
that can fit more than his campaign office and he is
to meet us there (providing he doesn't cancel the
last minute).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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and he wouldn't recognize you as one of the key
organizers of our door hanger/flyer/ad campaign, that
is even better. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you have a spouse or friend who
is supportive of this cause and might like to attend
and can spare the 30 minutes, invite them. (And let me
know who to expect and how to contact them).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope to hear from any of you in
Kitchener Centre who can attend - feel free to email
off list.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We will be talking to Raj about why
a <a href="https://nationalcitizensassembly.ca/" target="_blank">National Citizens' Assembly
on Electoral Reform</a> to take this out of the
hands of politicians a good idea :)<u></u><u></u></p>
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Sharon Sommerville <<a href="mailto:sharonsommerville@gmail.com" target="_blank">sharonsommerville@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This past week we learned that
the Trudeau government did not appoint a minister
to the portfolio of Democratic Institutions
thereby disbanding the ministry and all pretense
of being interested in the democratic process.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Angus Reid Institute
released a poll which indicated that support for
PR has skyrocketed since our recent federal
election particularly among Conservative
supporters. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The CBC just released archival
footage of former Prime MInister, Pierre Trudeau
stating his view that Canada should move on the
recommendations of the Pepin-Robarts Commission
report (1977) and institute proportional
representation. Trudeau makes some excellent
points!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-pierre-trudeau-said-canada-needed-proportional-representation-1.5358177" target="_blank">https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-pierre-trudeau-said-canada-needed-proportional-representation-1.5358177</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our monthly meeting is this
Wed. evening at 7 pm at the Civic Hub. Jay
Judkowitz & David Dirks will give a
presentation on the work of PR4PR, a Toronto based
group that presents the need for proportional
representation in a different framework. The
Civic Hub is in the lower level of St. John's
Anglican Church, 23 Water Street in Kitchener.
Entrance is on Duke Street.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And, a large group of fair vote
supporters is to visit with Raj Saini this Wed. at
11:30. So large a group that a larger space is
needed. If you would like to attend and want more
details please contact Anita Nickerson at:<u></u><u></u></p>
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