[fvc-wat-disc] So, what happened today with ERRE ?

[Donald Fraser]

I was puzzled  ...  NOW I'm thoroughly confused

the minister chastises the committee under her own jurisdiction ...

her government got elected partly on a promise to consult on everything, a
new style of governing  ... that's what a committee is for ... it consulted
and reported its findings and recommendations

I can understand the Party's reasons for not wanting PR now; that
is,disagreeing with the result

BUT what you say publicly is a big thank you and we'll take the
recommendations under consideration

Berating the committee in Parliament just announces that

(a) we didn't really want to consult
(b) we wanted our sham consultation to agree with us
(c) it didn't ... damn those little !@#$%^&* committee members!

On 2 December 2016 at 08:03, Jon Bathmaker <jon.bathmaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> S'truth Jenn.
>
> This is precisely why Big Tent parties are problematic.  Which of course
> leads to internal contradictions such as one faction of the Libs being big
> on the climate and native rights, both of which have to be sacrificed if
> you want to support the Alberta Oil/pipeline Bidniz.  You vote for them and
> then the 99 internal groups in the "big tent" fight it out for whose
> position gets implemented.
>
> OTOH, if we put up a ton of pressure/demonstrations/actions then the
> climate/native faction will have a lot of ammo to fire at the tar
> sands/Alberta faction.  And we can just sit back and watch the knives come
> out.  :-)
>
> Best,
> Jon
> *The Climate is no longer just a Crisis  . . .  it's a FREAKING EMERGENCY*
>
>
> On 12/1/2016 11:27 PM, Jennifer Ross wrote:
>
> You couldn't plan anything to make your own party look this bad if you
> tried.
>
> Platform promises are just a means of engagement?  A public, written
> mandate letter that DOESN'T say what you, the author, says it says?  The
> only ones not on board are the ones that campaigned to get elected on it?
> A party that prides itself on evidence-based decision making (also, that
> was a campaign promise but they mean nothing now) making fun of MATH?  How
> shall they ever defend Climate Change is a thing if math is off the table?
> Or unmuzzling scientists?  Kind of hard to be both unmuzzled and unable to
> use math in your scientific arguments.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 9:47 PM, Eleanor Grant <eleanor7000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What a day!
>>
>> The 333-page report from ERRE came out around noon Dec 1:
>> https://t.co/3dXxV2FMLi
>>
>> The key pages are:
>> - 95, where PR is clearly recommended (tho in kind of obscure
>> terminology),
>> - 319 (in which govt response is urged), and
>> - 321 to the end: the "Supplemental Reports" by Lib members of ERRE and
>> NDP & Green members.
>>
>> It feels (to me anyway) like a team of horses pulling in opposite
>> directions. The Liberal mbrs' report denies that a consensus on PR was
>> reached, that Cdns were engaged, and that there is enough time to put a new
>> system in place and familiarize the population with the issues by 2019.
>>
>> All afternoon, in the House and in media scrums, Minister Monsef repeated
>> the same misrepresentations, in the very same words - plus insulting the
>> committee and claiming they hadn't carried out their mandate. (Their
>> mandate never had been to call for a specific voting system.)
>>
>> So a day of elation mixed with shock that the governing party would twist
>> themselves into such pretzels to deny the obvious and doable recommendation
>> of the committee.
>>
>> Anyone else get the feeling that this was planned all along, from the day
>> they agreed to add members to ERRE to make it proportional?  Cdns have been
>> taken for a big ride.
>>
>> Eleanor
>>
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