[fvc-wat-disc] Xmas card from Bardish

[Sharon Sommerville]

Hi Bob,

Would you consider writing to the Minister about your privacy concerns? The
last line of your email is powerful:  I expect better from my government,
is something Monsef should know.

Cheers,
Sharon

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:

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> OK, I see that in their "Privacy" statement: "While answering the
> profile questions is optional, not answering these questions will
> result in your input not being included as part of the weighted
> results of the study. Aggregate statistics for all responses will
> still be included in the final report."
>
> I just had a quick look at the HTML source for http://mydemocracy.ca
> - -- the first thing that happens is it runs some Javascript code from
> Facebook. At the very least this means that Facebook has a record that
> you've accessed the http://mydemocracy.ca, and it is likely that
> they're tracking your Facebook profile as well (they'll have access to
> your friends, your posts, your likes, and anything else that Facebook
> makes available). The rest of the site is entirely obfuscated
> Javascript, so it will take many hours of analysis to see what else
> they're doing. Yes, they give themselves permission to do this in the
> "Third Party Websites" paragraph of their privacy policy.
>
> This level of surveillance for a poll is entirely unnecessary. I
> expect better from my government.
>
> - --Bob.
>
>
>
> On 2016-12-20 06:38 PM, Anita Nickerson wrote:
> > They now say that if you provide the demographic info they include
> > you in the "weighted" results and if you don't you're in the
> > overall results. Yes, they changed it.
> >
> > I'm sure they need to hear pro-PR from people who live outside of
> > big cities because that's where the support for PR and response is
> > usually low - luckily you actually do live in one of those areas.
> >
> > Anita
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Sharon Sommerville <
> > sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Bob,
> >>
> >> I believe that I heard that you no longer have to provide the
> >> demographic information to be included in the survey.  There was
> >> such a hue and cry that VoxPoll removed the necessity to submit
> >> personal information.  This happened about 10 days ago.
> >>
> >> Cheers, Sharon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> > Dave wrote:
> >>>>> Their point was very well put that if too many people
> >>>>> ignore or refuse to do the questionnaire, that feeds into
> >>>>> their case that there’s not enough interest or consensus.
> >
> > As much as I understand that lack of participation will advance
> > the "nobody wants Electoral Reform" rhetoric of the Liberals,
> > there's no way I'm willing to provide them with the personal,
> > private demographic data the survey asks for. And as long as
> > they're discounting replies that don't include the demographics, I
> > see no point in participating.
> >
> > Unless it's considered acceptable to answer the survey questions
> > as recommended by http://mycanadiandemocracy.ca/ but completely
> > falsify the demographic data...  And would false demographic data
> > also invalidate the survey? How can they tell?
> >
> > --Bob.
> >
> >
> > On 2016-12-20 02:49 PM, Dave Arthur wrote:
> >>>>> How come I didn’t get a card from Bardish? Just watched
> >>>>> the Broadbent webinar with Elizabeth May and Nathan Cullen.
> >>>>> It was great. They provided more information about what the
> >>>>> ERRE report did and did not say. They were also encouraging
> >>>>> all of us to keep up the pressure. That included
> >>>>> encouraging everyone to do the questionnaire and then let
> >>>>> the government, Monsef and MPs know what we thought of it.
> >>>>> Their point was very well put that if too many people
> >>>>> ignore or refuse to do the questionnaire, that feeds into
> >>>>> their case that there’s not enough interest or consensus.
> >>>>> May and Cullen want more people to read the ERRE report or
> >>>>> at least the summary points that are available. Dave A
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Eleanor Grant Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:47
> >>>>> AM To: fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org Subject:
> >>>>> [fvc-wat-disc] Xmas card from Bardish
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Fair Voters,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Did y'all get a nice card from Bardish today? Nice of her
> >>>>> to reach out to her opponents. I'm wondering who all those
> >>>>> extended family are - all children!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eleanor
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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