[fvc-wat-disc] Fair Vote presentation

Mon Feb 8 17:39:50 EST 2016

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Gordon Divitt wrote:
> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I
don't see a problem

That kind of license is a "Share Alike" license, and definitely requires
someone to "own" the copyright so that it can be licensed.  The
advantage of a Public Domain dedication (or waiving rights) is that
people *can* use it in situations where attribution is not possible, for
example as part of an aggregate work, or use by a commercial broadcaster
For example, the CBC will not use Creative Commons licensed material
that's restricted for BY (Attribution), SA (Share Alike), ND (No
Derivatives allowed), or NC (No Commercial usage allowed).  A public
domain dedication will ensure wider distribution of the work, removes
any onus on us to protect or enforce a license, and it might not
require someone to "own" the rights after those rights have been
waived.

But the long and short of it is, the less restrictive the license, the
wider the distribution of the presentation.

Sean wrote:
> I was under the impression this project was the work of Fair Vote 
> Canada Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).

The reason for naming Byron (or another person) as the copyright holder
is so that the copyright can be waived. The Fair Vote Canada Waterloo
Region Chapter is not a legal entity (it's not a non-profit
organization, not an incorporated entity; nothing, really...) and so
it has no rights it can use to claim copyright that it can waive.

The wording on slide 48 seems OK to me. I would add one of the CC0
badges, but having the link is good.

- --Bob.

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On 2016-02-08 05:13 PM, Gordon Divitt wrote:
> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I 
> don't see a problem On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM Sharon
> Sommerville < sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From my perspective, given that Byron undertook this on behalf
>> of FVC-WR & that the FVC logo is on every slide and Byron did
>> the lion's share of the work, I am comfortable saying that Byron
>> is the author without any legal understanding of the consequences
>> of that authorship, if it allows the work to be used by anyone
>> who wants to as per Bob's recommendation.
>> 
>> That having been said, would it be a better representation but 
>> still keep the presentation in the public domain to say that
>> Byron is the author on behalf of FVC-WR? Is it necessary to
>> establish that caveat?
>> 
>> Bob, what are your thoughts on Sean's concern?
>> 
>> Kind regards all, S.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Byron Weber Becker 
>> <bwbecker at golden.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Was following Bob’s recommendations (more or less).  Back on
>>> Jan 24 he wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2) Byron asked for language for a copyright statement.  The 
>>> presentation *will* be covered by copyright, since Canadian law
>>>  automatically applies copyright protections even if you don't 
>>> want them. I'm not sure that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo
>>> Region Chapter is an entity capable of holding a copyright, and
>>> I don't want the copyright to be transferred to Fair Vote
>>> Canada (while it's inconceivable, transferring copyright to FVC
>>> may prevent us from using, modifying or distributing it
>>> ourselves).  To allow the maximum use and widest distribution
>>> I'm going to suggest:
>>> 
>>> To the extent possible under law, the author of this 
>>> presentation, text and graphics, Byron Weber Becker has waived 
>>> all copyright and related or neighboring rights.  This work
>>> can be copied, modified, and redistributed without permission
>>> or attribution.
>>> 
>>> Use one of the CC0 logos from 
>>> http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-88x31/ or 
>>> http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-80x15/
>>> 
>>> More info about CC0: https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/
>>> 
>>> Gordon raised the point that this allows the work to be used
>>> in ways that we don't approve of, but that's one of the dangers
>>> of education and knowledge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The difference between what Bob wrote and what’s in the 
>>> presentation is that what’s in the presentation is sorta on
>>> the Creative Commons web site.  I couldn’t find anything that
>>> sorta looked like Bob’s text.
>>> 
>>> I must say, I found the CC web site to be pretty convoluted
>>> and confusing.
>>> 
>>> Byron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sean B. Haberlin 
>>> <haberlin at outlook.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a problem with slide 48 – Legal Stuff.   “…Byron Weber 
>>> Becker, the author is this work…”  I was under the impression 
>>> this project was the work of Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region 
>>> Chapter (FVCWRC).  I’m I wrong?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net 
>>> <bwbecker at golden.net>] *Sent:* Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:17
>>> PM *To:* Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>; Sharon Sommerville <
>>>  sharonsommerville at gmail.com>; Sean B. Haberlin 
>>> <haberlin at outlook.com>; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com>;
>>> Holly Featherstone < hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> *Subject:*
>>> Fair Vote presentation
>>> 
>>> Here’s my latest revision to the presentation.  I was more 
>>> careful in how I embedded graphics and stuff, so it’s now a
>>> much more manageable size.
>>> 
>>> Questions that remain in my mind:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Slide 2:  We say FVC is “run by volunteers” but we do have 
>>> some paid staff at the national level.  Does that statement
>>> need modification? 2. Slides 40 & 41:  Are the descriptions of
>>> MMP voting OK?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Let me know…
>>> 
>>> Do we have presentations lined up?
>>> 
>>> Byron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> --
> Gordon D
> 
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