[fvc-wat-disc] Fair Vote presentation

Fri Feb 12 12:04:24 EST 2016

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Hi all: After a long discussion last night, Sean and I have agreed on
the following text between the ===== marks for slide 48, to be
centered &c:

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(Public Domain button)

To the extent possible under law, Byron Weber Becker has waived all
copyright and related or neighboring rights to this Presentation. This
work is published from: Canada.

http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
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This text was generated from the Creative Commons CC0 license chooser
at https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ resulting in the output at

https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/results?license-class=zero&name=Byron+Weber+Becker&actor_href=http%3A%2F%2Ffairvotewrc.ca%2F&work_title=this+Presentation&work_jurisdiction=CA&confirm=confirm&understand=confirm&lang=en_US&field1=continue&waiver-affirm=affirm

A larger Public Domain button can be downloaded from
http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/presskit/buttons/88x31/png/cc-zero.png

The presentation file itself can have embedded links for the author
and the button, but we want to include the actual URL text so that
printed copies, video presentations, and any other version that
doesn't support clickable links can all access to the Creative Commons
text of the Public Domain Dedication.

- --Bob.

On 2016-02-08 11:04 PM, Sean B. Haberlin wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> 
> 
> Creative Commons provides the legal expertise that allows people or
> organizations to share their material.   Your statement “The Fair
> Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is not a legal entity (it's not
> a non-profit organization, not an incorporated entity; nothing,
> really...) and so it has no rights it can use to claim copyright
> that it can waive.” is moot and can be argued legally.  What I am
> saying is when we state that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region
> Chapter created this presentation and grants copyright Creative
> Commons backs that statement.
> 
> 
> 
> We do not have to be a “legal entity” to grant copyright when we
> apply the creative common license.  That is the whole point of
> Creative Commons and similar organizations – to make the internet
> free and accessible.
> 
> 
> 
> The licensor under as defined by Creative Commons is "Licensor"
> means the individual, individuals, entity or entities that offer(s)
> the Work under the terms of this License.  Here is the direct link,
> it is under d in section 1 Definitions.
> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net] Sent: Monday,
> February 8, 2016 9:31 PM To: Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> Cc:
> Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com>; Sean B. Haberlin
> <haberlin at outlook.com>; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com>; Holly
> Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com>; Fair Vote Waterloo
> Region Discussion <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> Subject: Re:
> Fair Vote presentation
> 
> 
> 
> So I finally figured out that CC0 is in the “Public Domain” menu
> while all the other stuff is in the “Licenses” menu.  If you start
> with Public Domain and then choose “Use this Tool” there is a small
> link labeled “begin”.  This takes you to a form at
> https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/waiver where you can fill
> in some fields.
> 
> 
> 
> One of the fields is the URL where the work (will) be found.  What
> will that be?
> 
> 
> 
> After filling everything in and clicking “continue” you get to
> another page with some ominous warning text including "Once these
> rights are waived, you cannot reclaim them.”  and two buttons:
> “No, I do no waive” and “Yes, I waive”.  Does anyone know the
> actual effect of clicking the “Yes” button?  Does it simply
> generate some text or does it register something somewhere?  I know
> the site says that it doesn’t but I’m wondering what all the
> warnings are about if clicking “yes” just generates some
> boilerplate text.
> 
> 
> 
> Second issue:  The logos are terribly small.  Are there larger
> ones?  Is this the one you’re referring to, Bob?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Byron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com
> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Gordon Divitt wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I
> 
> don't see a problem
> 
> That kind of license is a "Share Alike" license, and definitely
> requires someone to "own" the copyright so that it can be licensed.
> The advantage of a Public Domain dedication (or waiving rights) is
> that people *can* use it in situations where attribution is not
> possible, for example as part of an aggregate work, or use by a
> commercial broadcaster For example, the CBC will not use Creative
> Commons licensed material that's restricted for BY (Attribution),
> SA (Share Alike), ND (No Derivatives allowed), or NC (No Commercial
> usage allowed).  A public domain dedication will ensure wider
> distribution of the work, removes any onus on us to protect or
> enforce a license, and it might not require someone to "own" the
> rights after those rights have been waived.
> 
> But the long and short of it is, the less restrictive the license,
> the wider the distribution of the presentation.
> 
> Sean wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I was under the impression this project was the work of Fair Vote 
> Canada Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).
> 
> 
> The reason for naming Byron (or another person) as the copyright
> holder is so that the copyright can be waived. The Fair Vote Canada
> Waterloo Region Chapter is not a legal entity (it's not a
> non-profit organization, not an incorporated entity; nothing,
> really...) and so it has no rights it can use to claim copyright
> that it can waive.
> 
> The wording on slide 48 seems OK to me. I would add one of the CC0 
> badges, but having the link is good.
> 
> --Bob.
> 
> 
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> On 2016-02-08 05:13 PM, Gordon Divitt wrote:
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> 
> 
> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it 'open' I 
> don't see a problem On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM Sharon 
> Sommerville < sharonsommerville at gmail.com
> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From my perspective, given that Byron undertook this on behalf of
> FVC-WR & that the FVC logo is on every slide and Byron did the
> lion's share of the work, I am comfortable saying that Byron is the
> author without any legal understanding of the consequences of that
> authorship, if it allows the work to be used by anyone who wants to
> as per Bob's recommendation.
> 
> That having been said, would it be a better representation but 
> still keep the presentation in the public domain to say that Byron
> is the author on behalf of FVC-WR? Is it necessary to establish
> that caveat?
> 
> Bob, what are your thoughts on Sean's concern?
> 
> Kind regards all, S.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Byron Weber Becker 
> <bwbecker at golden.net <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Was following Bob’s recommendations (more or less).  Back on Jan 24
> he wrote:
> 
> 2) Byron asked for language for a copyright statement.  The 
> presentation *will* be covered by copyright, since Canadian law 
> automatically applies copyright protections even if you don't want
> them. I'm not sure that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region
> Chapter is an entity capable of holding a copyright, and I don't
> want the copyright to be transferred to Fair Vote Canada (while
> it's inconceivable, transferring copyright to FVC may prevent us
> from using, modifying or distributing it ourselves).  To allow the
> maximum use and widest distribution I'm going to suggest:
> 
> To the extent possible under law, the author of this presentation,
> text and graphics, Byron Weber Becker has waived all copyright and
> related or neighboring rights.  This work can be copied, modified,
> and redistributed without permission or attribution.
> 
> Use one of the CC0 logos from http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-88x31/
> or http://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-80x15/
> 
> More info about CC0: https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/
> 
> Gordon raised the point that this allows the work to be used in
> ways that we don't approve of, but that's one of the dangers of
> education and knowledge.
> 
> 
> The difference between what Bob wrote and what’s in the 
> presentation is that what’s in the presentation is sorta on the
> Creative Commons web site.  I couldn’t find anything that sorta
> looked like Bob’s text.
> 
> I must say, I found the CC web site to be pretty convoluted and
> confusing.
> 
> Byron
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sean B. Haberlin <haberlin at outlook.com
> <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a problem with slide 48 – Legal Stuff.   “…Byron Weber 
> Becker, the author is this work…”  I was under the impression this
> project was the work of Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter
> (FVCWRC).  I’m I wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net 
> <bwbecker at golden.net <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net> >] *Sent:*
> Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:17 PM *To:* Bob Jonkman
> <bjonkman at sobac.com <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> >; Sharon
> Sommerville < sharonsommerville at gmail.com
> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> >; Sean B. Haberlin 
> <haberlin at outlook.com <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> >; Gordon
> Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com <mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com> >; Holly
> Featherstone < hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com
> <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> > *Subject:* Fair Vote
> presentation
> 
> Here’s my latest revision to the presentation.  I was more careful
> in how I embedded graphics and stuff, so it’s now a much more
> manageable size.
> 
> Questions that remain in my mind:
> 
> 
> 1. Slide 2:  We say FVC is “run by volunteers” but we do have some
> paid staff at the national level.  Does that statement need
> modification? 2. Slides 40 & 41:  Are the descriptions of MMP
> voting OK?
> 
> 
> Let me know…
> 
> Do we have presentations lined up?
> 
> Byron
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