[fvc-wat-disc] Fair Vote presentation
Bob Jonkman
bjonkman at sobac.com
Mon Feb 15 20:29:16 EST 2016
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I'm happy with either slide.
- --Bob.
On 2016-02-15 07:45 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote:
> Great! I'm perfectly happy with slide 49 ("Legal Stuff") without
> having slide 50 ("Acknowledgements"), but having both are OK too.
>
> The dedication (slide 49) is sufficient to declare you as the
> author. I think my original wording indicated "The author of this
> work, Byron Weber Becker waives all rights..." but Sean and I
> decided it's better to stick to the actual text provided by the
> Creative Commons Public Domain Dedication rather than making up our
> own.
>
> --Bob.
>
>
> On 2016-02-15 07:38 PM, Byron Weber Becker wrote:
>> Here’s what the copyright slide looks like right now. Is that
>> what you had in mind?
>
>> Issues that I think still need to be addressed:
>
>> * This is the only place that my name appears. Is this
>> sufficient to establish that I have the right to waive these
>> rights? * We need to acknowledge the rest of the working group
>> someplace, somehow. It was a group effort, after all.
>
>
>> How do you feel about the second version, below?
>
>> Byron
>
>
>
>
>>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com
>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>> wrote:
>>>
>> Hi all: After a long discussion last night, Sean and I have
>> agreed on the following text between the ===== marks for slide
>> 48, to be centered &c:
>
>> ===== (Public Domain button)
>
>> To the extent possible under law, Byron Weber Becker has waived
>> all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this
>> Presentation. This work is published from: Canada.
>
>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ =====
>
>> This text was generated from the Creative Commons CC0 license
>> chooser athttps://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/resulting in
>> the output at
>
>> https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/results?license-class=zero&name=Byron+Weber+Becker&actor_href=http%3A%2F%2Ffairvotewrc.ca%2F&work_title=this+Presentation&work_jurisdiction=CA&confirm=confirm&understand=confirm&lang=en_US&field1=continue&waiver-affirm=affirm
>
>> A larger Public Domain button can be downloaded from
>> http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/presskit/buttons/88x31/png/cc-zero.png
>
>> The presentation file itself can have embedded links for the
>> author and the button, but we want to include the actual URL
>> text so that printed copies, video presentations, and any other
>> version that doesn't support clickable links can all access to
>> the Creative Commons text of the Public Domain Dedication.
>
>> --Bob.
>
>
>
>> On 2016-02-08 11:04 PM, Sean B. Haberlin wrote:
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Creative Commons provides the legal expertise that allows
>>>>> people or organizations to share their material. Your
>>>>> statement “The Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is
>>>>> not a legal entity (it's not a non-profit organization,
>>>>> not an incorporated entity; nothing, really...) and so it
>>>>> has no rights it can use to claim copyright that it can
>>>>> waive.” is moot and can be argued legally. What I am
>>>>> saying is when we state that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo
>>>>> Region Chapter created this presentation and grants
>>>>> copyright Creative Commons backs that statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We do not have to be a “legal entity” to grant copyright
>>>>> when we apply the creative common license. That is the
>>>>> whole point of Creative Commons and similar organizations –
>>>>> to make the internet free and accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The licensor under as defined by Creative Commons is
>>>>> "Licensor" means the individual, individuals, entity or
>>>>> entities that offer(s) the Work under the terms of this
>>>>> License. Here is the direct link, it is under d in section
>>>>> 1 Definitions.
>>>>> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 9:31 PM To: Bob Jonkman
>>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com> Cc: Sharon Sommerville
>>>>> <sharonsommerville at gmail.com>; Sean B. Haberlin
>>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com>; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com>;
>>>>> Holly Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com>; Fair
>>>>> Vote Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>>> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> Subject: Re: Fair
>>>>> Vote presentation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I finally figured out that CC0 is in the “Public
>>>>> Domain” menu while all the other stuff is in the “Licenses”
>>>>> menu. If you start with Public Domain and then choose “Use
>>>>> this Tool” there is a small link labeled “begin”. This
>>>>> takes you to a form at
>>>>> https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/waiver where you
>>>>> can fill in some fields.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the fields is the URL where the work (will) be
>>>>> found. What will that be?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After filling everything in and clicking “continue” you
>>>>> get to another page with some ominous warning text
>>>>> including "Once these rights are waived, you cannot reclaim
>>>>> them.” and two buttons: “No, I do no waive” and “Yes, I
>>>>> waive”. Does anyone know the actual effect of clicking the
>>>>> “Yes” button? Does it simply generate some text or does it
>>>>> register something somewhere? I know the site says that it
>>>>> doesn’t but I’m wondering what all the warnings are about
>>>>> if clicking “yes” just generates some boilerplate text.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Second issue: The logos are terribly small. Are there
>>>>> larger ones? Is this the one you’re referring to, Bob?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Byron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com
>>>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Divitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it
>>>>> 'open' I
>>>>>
>>>>> don't see a problem
>>>>>
>>>>> That kind of license is a "Share Alike" license, and
>>>>> definitely requires someone to "own" the copyright so that
>>>>> it can be licensed. The advantage of a Public Domain
>>>>> dedication (or waiving rights) is that people *can* use it
>>>>> in situations where attribution is not possible, for
>>>>> example as part of an aggregate work, or use by a
>>>>> commercial broadcaster For example, the CBC will not use
>>>>> Creative Commons licensed material that's restricted for BY
>>>>> (Attribution), SA (Share Alike), ND (No Derivatives
>>>>> allowed), or NC (No Commercial usage allowed). A public
>>>>> domain dedication will ensure wider distribution of the
>>>>> work, removes any onus on us to protect or enforce a
>>>>> license, and it might not require someone to "own" the
>>>>> rights after those rights have been waived.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the long and short of it is, the less restrictive the
>>>>> license, the wider the distribution of the presentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was under the impression this project was the work of
>>>>> Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for naming Byron (or another person) as the
>>>>> copyright holder is so that the copyright can be waived.
>>>>> The Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is not a
>>>>> legal entity (it's not a non-profit organization, not an
>>>>> incorporated entity; nothing, really...) and so it has no
>>>>> rights it can use to claim copyright that it can waive.
>>>>>
>>>>> The wording on slide 48 seems OK to me. I would add one of
>>>>> the CC0 badges, but having the link is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Bob.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-02-08 05:13 PM, Gordon Divitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it
>>>>> 'open' I don't see a problem On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:07
>>>>> PM Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From my perspective, given that Byron undertook this on
>>>>> behalf of FVC-WR & that the FVC logo is on every slide and
>>>>> Byron did the lion's share of the work, I am comfortable
>>>>> saying that Byron is the author without any legal
>>>>> understanding of the consequences of that authorship, if
>>>>> it allows the work to be used by anyone who wants to as
>>>>> per Bob's recommendation.
>>>>>
>>>>> That having been said, would it be a better representation
>>>>> but still keep the presentation in the public domain to
>>>>> say that Byron is the author on behalf of FVC-WR? Is it
>>>>> necessary to establish that caveat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob, what are your thoughts on Sean's concern?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards all, S.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Byron Weber Becker
>>>>> <bwbecker at golden.net
>>>>> <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net><mailto:bwbecker at golden.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Was following Bob’s recommendations (more or less). Back
>>>>> on Jan 24 he wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Byron asked for language for a copyright statement. The
>>>>> presentation *will* be covered by copyright, since
>>>>> Canadian law automatically applies copyright protections
>>>>> even if you don't want them. I'm not sure that the Fair
>>>>> Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is an entity capable of
>>>>> holding a copyright, and I don't want the copyright to be
>>>>> transferred to Fair Vote Canada (while it's inconceivable,
>>>>> transferring copyright to FVC may prevent us from using,
>>>>> modifying or distributing it ourselves). To allow the
>>>>> maximum use and widest distribution I'm going to suggest:
>>>>>
>>>>> To the extent possible under law, the author of this
>>>>> presentation, text and graphics, Byron Weber Becker has
>>>>> waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights.
>>>>> This work can be copied, modified, and redistributed
>>>>> without permission or attribution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use one of the CC0 logos
>>>>> fromhttp://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-88x31/
>>>>> orhttp://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-80x15/
>>>>>
>>>>> More info about CC0:https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon raised the point that this allows the work to be
>>>>> used in ways that we don't approve of, but that's one of
>>>>> the dangers of education and knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference between what Bob wrote and what’s in the
>>>>> presentation is that what’s in the presentation is sorta
>>>>> on the Creative Commons web site. I couldn’t find anything
>>>>> that sorta looked like Bob’s text.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must say, I found the CC web site to be pretty
>>>>> convoluted and confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Byron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sean B. Haberlin
>>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com>
>>>>> <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a problem with slide 48 – Legal Stuff. “…Byron
>>>>> Weber Becker, the author is this work…” I was under the
>>>>> impression this project was the work of Fair Vote Canada
>>>>> Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC). I’m I wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net
>>>>> <bwbecker at golden.net
>>>>> <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net><mailto:bwbecker at golden.net>
>>>>>> ] *Sent:*
>>>>> Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:17 PM *To:* Bob Jonkman
>>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com
>>>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com><mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> >;
>>>>> Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> >; Sean B. Haberlin
>>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com
>>>>> <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com><mailto:haberlin at outlook.com>
>>>>> >; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com><mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com> >;
>>>>> Holly Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> > *Subject:* Fair Vote
>>>>> presentation
>>>>>
>>>>> Here’s my latest revision to the presentation. I was more
>>>>> careful in how I embedded graphics and stuff, so it’s now
>>>>> a much more manageable size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions that remain in my mind:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Slide 2: We say FVC is “run by volunteers” but we do
>>>>> have some paid staff at the national level. Does that
>>>>> statement need modification? 2. Slides 40 & 41: Are the
>>>>> descriptions of MMP voting OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know…
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have presentations lined up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Byron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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