[fvc-wat-disc] Fair Vote presentation

[Bob Jonkman]

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Great! I'm perfectly happy with slide 49 ("Legal Stuff") without
having slide 50 ("Acknowledgements"), but having both are OK too.

The dedication (slide 49) is sufficient to declare you as the author.
I think my original wording indicated "The author of this work, Byron
Weber Becker waives all rights..." but Sean and I decided it's better
to stick to the actual text provided by the Creative Commons Public
Domain Dedication rather than making up our own.

- --Bob.


On 2016-02-15 07:38 PM, Byron Weber Becker wrote:
> Here’s what the copyright slide looks like right now.  Is that what
> you had in mind?
> 
> Issues that I think still need to be addressed:
> 
> * This is the only place that my name appears.  Is this sufficient
> to establish that I have the right to waive these rights? * We need
> to acknowledge the rest of the working group someplace, somehow.
> It was a group effort, after all.
> 
> 
> How do you feel about the second version, below?
> 
> Byron
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com 
>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com>> wrote:
>> 
> Hi all: After a long discussion last night, Sean and I have agreed
> on the following text between the ===== marks for slide 48, to be 
> centered &c:
> 
> ===== (Public Domain button)
> 
> To the extent possible under law, Byron Weber Becker has waived
> all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this
> Presentation. This work is published from: Canada.
> 
> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ =====
> 
> This text was generated from the Creative Commons CC0 license
> chooser athttps://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/resulting in the
> output at
> 
> https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/results?license-class=zero&name=Byron+Weber+Becker&actor_href=http%3A%2F%2Ffairvotewrc.ca%2F&work_title=this+Presentation&work_jurisdiction=CA&confirm=confirm&understand=confirm&lang=en_US&field1=continue&waiver-affirm=affirm
>
>  A larger Public Domain button can be downloaded from 
> http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/presskit/buttons/88x31/png/cc-zero.png
>
>  The presentation file itself can have embedded links for the
> author and the button, but we want to include the actual URL text
> so that printed copies, video presentations, and any other version
> that doesn't support clickable links can all access to the Creative
> Commons text of the Public Domain Dedication.
> 
> --Bob.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-02-08 11:04 PM, Sean B. Haberlin wrote:
>>>> Bob,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Creative Commons provides the legal expertise that allows
>>>> people or organizations to share their material.   Your
>>>> statement “The Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is
>>>> not a legal entity (it's not a non-profit organization, not
>>>> an incorporated entity; nothing, really...) and so it has no
>>>> rights it can use to claim copyright that it can waive.” is
>>>> moot and can be argued legally.  What I am saying is when we
>>>> state that the Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter
>>>> created this presentation and grants copyright Creative 
>>>> Commons backs that statement.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We do not have to be a “legal entity” to grant copyright when
>>>> we apply the creative common license.  That is the whole
>>>> point of Creative Commons and similar organizations – to make
>>>> the internet free and accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The licensor under as defined by Creative Commons is
>>>> "Licensor" means the individual, individuals, entity or
>>>> entities that offer(s) the Work under the terms of this
>>>> License.  Here is the direct link, it is under d in section 1
>>>> Definitions. 
>>>> https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net] Sent:
>>>> Monday, February 8, 2016 9:31 PM To: Bob Jonkman
>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com> Cc: Sharon Sommerville
>>>> <sharonsommerville at gmail.com>; Sean B. Haberlin 
>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com>; Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com>;
>>>> Holly Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com>; Fair Vote
>>>> Waterloo Region Discussion
>>>> <fvc-wat-disc at listserv.thinkers.org> Subject: Re: Fair Vote
>>>> presentation
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So I finally figured out that CC0 is in the “Public Domain”
>>>> menu while all the other stuff is in the “Licenses” menu.  If
>>>> you start with Public Domain and then choose “Use this Tool”
>>>> there is a small link labeled “begin”.  This takes you to a
>>>> form at https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/waiver where
>>>> you can fill in some fields.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> One of the fields is the URL where the work (will) be found.
>>>> What will that be?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> After filling everything in and clicking “continue” you get
>>>> to another page with some ominous warning text including
>>>> "Once these rights are waived, you cannot reclaim them.”  and
>>>> two buttons: “No, I do no waive” and “Yes, I waive”.  Does
>>>> anyone know the actual effect of clicking the “Yes” button?
>>>> Does it simply generate some text or does it register
>>>> something somewhere?  I know the site says that it doesn’t
>>>> but I’m wondering what all the warnings are about if clicking
>>>> “yes” just generates some boilerplate text.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Second issue:  The logos are terribly small.  Are there
>>>> larger ones?  Is this the one you’re referring to, Bob?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Byron
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com 
>>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon Divitt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it
>>>> 'open' I
>>>> 
>>>> don't see a problem
>>>> 
>>>> That kind of license is a "Share Alike" license, and
>>>> definitely requires someone to "own" the copyright so that it
>>>> can be licensed. The advantage of a Public Domain dedication
>>>> (or waiving rights) is that people *can* use it in situations
>>>> where attribution is not possible, for example as part of an
>>>> aggregate work, or use by a commercial broadcaster For
>>>> example, the CBC will not use Creative Commons licensed
>>>> material that's restricted for BY (Attribution), SA (Share
>>>> Alike), ND (No Derivatives allowed), or NC (No Commercial 
>>>> usage allowed).  A public domain dedication will ensure
>>>> wider distribution of the work, removes any onus on us to
>>>> protect or enforce a license, and it might not require
>>>> someone to "own" the rights after those rights have been
>>>> waived.
>>>> 
>>>> But the long and short of it is, the less restrictive the
>>>> license, the wider the distribution of the presentation.
>>>> 
>>>> Sean wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was under the impression this project was the work of Fair
>>>> Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The reason for naming Byron (or another person) as the
>>>> copyright holder is so that the copyright can be waived. The
>>>> Fair Vote Canada Waterloo Region Chapter is not a legal
>>>> entity (it's not a non-profit organization, not an
>>>> incorporated entity; nothing, really...) and so it has no
>>>> rights it can use to claim copyright that it can waive.
>>>> 
>>>> The wording on slide 48 seems OK to me. I would add one of
>>>> the CC0 badges, but having the link is good.
>>>> 
>>>> --Bob.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> On 2016-02-08 05:13 PM, Gordon Divitt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As long as anyone who uses it and makes changes keeps it
>>>> 'open' I don't see a problem On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:07 PM
>>>> Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> 
>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From my perspective, given that Byron undertook this on
>>>> behalf of FVC-WR & that the FVC logo is on every slide and
>>>> Byron did the lion's share of the work, I am comfortable
>>>> saying that Byron is the author without any legal
>>>> understanding of the consequences of that authorship, if it
>>>> allows the work to be used by anyone who wants to as per
>>>> Bob's recommendation.
>>>> 
>>>> That having been said, would it be a better representation
>>>> but still keep the presentation in the public domain to say
>>>> that Byron is the author on behalf of FVC-WR? Is it necessary
>>>> to establish that caveat?
>>>> 
>>>> Bob, what are your thoughts on Sean's concern?
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards all, S.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Byron Weber Becker 
>>>> <bwbecker at golden.net
>>>> <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net><mailto:bwbecker at golden.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Was following Bob’s recommendations (more or less).  Back on
>>>> Jan 24 he wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Byron asked for language for a copyright statement.  The 
>>>> presentation *will* be covered by copyright, since Canadian
>>>> law automatically applies copyright protections even if you
>>>> don't want them. I'm not sure that the Fair Vote Canada
>>>> Waterloo Region Chapter is an entity capable of holding a
>>>> copyright, and I don't want the copyright to be transferred
>>>> to Fair Vote Canada (while it's inconceivable, transferring
>>>> copyright to FVC may prevent us from using, modifying or
>>>> distributing it ourselves).  To allow the maximum use and
>>>> widest distribution I'm going to suggest:
>>>> 
>>>> To the extent possible under law, the author of this
>>>> presentation, text and graphics, Byron Weber Becker has
>>>> waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights.  This
>>>> work can be copied, modified, and redistributed without
>>>> permission or attribution.
>>>> 
>>>> Use one of the CC0 logos
>>>> fromhttp://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-88x31/ 
>>>> orhttp://www.fairvotewrc.ca/cc-0-80x15/
>>>> 
>>>> More info about CC0:https://creativecommons.org/about/cc0/
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon raised the point that this allows the work to be used
>>>> in ways that we don't approve of, but that's one of the
>>>> dangers of education and knowledge.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The difference between what Bob wrote and what’s in the 
>>>> presentation is that what’s in the presentation is sorta on
>>>> the Creative Commons web site.  I couldn’t find anything that
>>>> sorta looked like Bob’s text.
>>>> 
>>>> I must say, I found the CC web site to be pretty convoluted
>>>> and confusing.
>>>> 
>>>> Byron
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sean B. Haberlin
>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> 
>>>> <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a problem with slide 48 – Legal Stuff.   “…Byron
>>>> Weber Becker, the author is this work…”  I was under the
>>>> impression this project was the work of Fair Vote Canada
>>>> Waterloo Region Chapter (FVCWRC).  I’m I wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *From:* Byron Weber Becker [mailto:bwbecker at golden.net 
>>>> <bwbecker at golden.net
>>>> <mailto:bwbecker at golden.net><mailto:bwbecker at golden.net>
>>>>> ] *Sent:*
>>>> Sunday, February 7, 2016 10:17 PM *To:* Bob Jonkman 
>>>> <bjonkman at sobac.com
>>>> <mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com><mailto:bjonkman at sobac.com> >; 
>>>> Sharon Sommerville <sharonsommerville at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> 
>>>> <mailto:sharonsommerville at gmail.com> >; Sean B. Haberlin 
>>>> <haberlin at outlook.com 
>>>> <mailto:haberlin at outlook.com><mailto:haberlin at outlook.com> >;
>>>> Gordon Divitt <gdivitt at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com><mailto:gdivitt at gmail.com> >;
>>>> Holly Featherstone <hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> 
>>>> <mailto:hollyfeatherstone at gmail.com> > *Subject:* Fair Vote 
>>>> presentation
>>>> 
>>>> Here’s my latest revision to the presentation.  I was more
>>>> careful in how I embedded graphics and stuff, so it’s now a
>>>> much more manageable size.
>>>> 
>>>> Questions that remain in my mind:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Slide 2:  We say FVC is “run by volunteers” but we do have
>>>> some paid staff at the national level.  Does that statement
>>>> need modification? 2. Slides 40 & 41:  Are the descriptions
>>>> of MMP voting OK?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know…
>>>> 
>>>> Do we have presentations lined up?
>>>> 
>>>> Byron
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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