[fvc-wat-disc] Monsef no electoral reform.

[Donald Fraser]

OK Anita and Sharon more or less confirm my suspicion that CPC support of
PR is unbelievable or insincere.

On 28 November 2016 at 07:38, Sharon Sommerville <
sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Conservatives are confident that put to a national vote with numerous
> variables: low voter turn out, framing of the question, a conservative
> media & the natural bias in a referendum to support the status quo, that
> the no vote would win.  Not much risk and a great deal of political
> traction for the "democratic" position.
>
> Sharon
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:21 AM, Anita Nickerson <anitann88 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Conservatives don't support PR. But they acknowledge what is plainly
>> in audio transcripts - that most people who testified before the committee
>> spoke for PR.
>>
>> So...they alternative to FPTP in a referendum they say should be PR, not
>> AV.
>>
>> We already had 4 referendums with that idea so they're not giving us
>> anything here by acknowlelging that.
>>
>> They could pretend to be officially neutral during a referendum which is
>> somewhat of a joke when their MPs and media will be doing the anti-PR
>> talking.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Donald Fraser <donaldafraser at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Listening carefully to this interview ...
>>>
>>>  Evan cornered Monsef on
>>>
>>> 1. all the committee members except Liberals (wow Cons?) say they have
>>> heard that the people want PR ... so what if the committee recommends PR?
>>> ... she will take it seriously ... but said she knows what she heard,
>>> implying that she has heard differently ... which we all dispute
>>> 2. what if the committee recommends a referendum ... she doesn't like
>>> referenda because not enough people participate and they are divisive ...
>>> (I don't want a referendum but for different reasons (voter apathy re
>>> educating themselves first))
>>> 3. if you don't listen to the committee and don't have a referendum how
>>> will you determine the broad consensus that you seek? ... she mentioned the
>>> mail-out question and called it a 'digital' ask ... I guess that means we
>>> respond online.
>>>
>>> In summary ... we aren't getting it, no matter what the indications are.
>>>
>>> In the back of my mind, I still have the idea that the Liberal machine
>>> wants to enjoy a couple of majorities and THEN we might get it when it
>>> looks like power is fading ... Even if they were to get a surprise
>>> minority, they could always count on NDP and Green support for PR. I would
>>> rather have that than get a non-PR solution now.
>>>
>>> But I just can't fathom Conservative support for PR ... can you? ...
>>> they will never ever get another majority ... I just don't believe it.
>>>
>>> On 27 November 2016 at 21:39, Sharon Sommerville <
>>> sharonsommerville at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Sean, she will not accept any responsibility for the LPC
>>>> campaign promise. Her interview with Don Martin wasn't so definitive & a
>>>> little more hopeful.
>>>>
>>>> Broad support?  How about leadership?  Never a mention of the nature,
>>>> role & responsibilities of leadership.  We didn't elect the LPC to
>>>> reflect what Cdns. think about ER, we elected them to lead on this
>>>> issue.  It is what they promised to do and they should be held accountable
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>> Sharon
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, haberlin at gmail.com <haberlin at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/no-electoral-reform-until-eno
>>>>> ugh-canadians-want-it-monsef-says-1.3177209
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So no reform this time around.  However, media outlets have begun
>>>>> casting PR in a favorable light, the Tories have shown support for PR and
>>>>> in the next election there is the opportunity to point to the perfidious
>>>>> nature of Liberal promises as a launching point for PR.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean B. Haberlin
>>>>>
>>>>> 91 Park St. Waterloo ON N2L 1Y2
>>>>>
>>>>> Ph: 519.576.9195 Cell: 519.591.9195
>>>>>
>>>>>
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